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A Soviet Fighter Plane’s Tragic Error Brought Us Google Maps
War is Boring ^ | April 9, 2017 | Sebastien Roblin

Posted on 04/09/2017 9:12:12 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 04/09/2017 9:12:13 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

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2 posted on 04/09/2017 9:17:08 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

When a South American Air Force bought one of the Korean Airlines’ 707s in the ‘80s, I was sent by my company as an instructor pilot to check out their three crews.

The KAL aircraft had 3 independent overwater nav systems - one each for the captain, copilot, and navigator. According to the KAL SOP (standard operating procedures), they were supposed to be independently programmed. However, they had a “Left / Right / Remote switch that could allow the Nav to program all three systems at once. I cautioned the Air Force guys to NEVER do this because an inadvertent error in setting the latitude/longitude would not be caught. They were good about never doing this.

For years, I wondered if the Koreans were, or did they just dump the programming on the Nav and hope that he did it correctly. Two transposed numbers could have put them right over Russian airspace...


3 posted on 04/09/2017 9:32:03 PM PDT by QBFimi (It is not your responsibility to finish the work of perfecting the world... Tarfon)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
However, the United States also refused to apologize five years later when the U.S. Navy cruiser USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down Iranian Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 on board.

To this day I still believe the Iranian pilot was hell bent on martyring everyone on board as he was on a glide path for the Vincennes.

4 posted on 04/09/2017 9:43:21 PM PDT by granite (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left - Ecc 10:2)
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To: QBFimi

After another KAL crash (this time due to operator error) in the 90s, I recall reading here (pretty sure it was here) of the infallible attitude of “authority” among KAL pilots, and that they would not accept correction from subordinates, even if they might be right. I wonder if that might have played a role here as well.


5 posted on 04/09/2017 9:50:44 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Was it common for Su-15s to carry cannon in pods? This is the first I’ve heard that they could do that.


6 posted on 04/09/2017 9:52:27 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

My family flew the same flight as KAL 007 on the 1-year anniversary of the shoot-down. LAX to Anchorage, then on to Seoul and ultimately to our destination of Tokyo for my older brother’s wedding. I was 18 at the time and blissfully unaware of the significance until people started talking about it while we were in the air and nearing Soviet airspace. Thankfully, our pilots had properly functioning equipment and we didn’t get shot down.


7 posted on 04/09/2017 10:10:57 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Islam and Western Civilization are incompatible ))))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

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8 posted on 04/09/2017 10:20:06 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Two Kids' Dad; metmom; knarf; aMorePerfectUnion
My family flew the same flight as KAL 007 on the 1-year anniversary of the shoot-down.

I knew someone who was on KAL 007, when it was shot down. I didn't find out she was on the aircraft till 1985. Her parents were Christian missionaries in Korea, and I think she was planning on doing some missionary work there too.

9 posted on 04/09/2017 11:28:43 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Mark17

Kyu Sakamoto, who sang the hit “Sukiyaki”, was killed when KAL 700 was shot down.


10 posted on 04/09/2017 11:35:11 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Victor Belenko flew his MiG-25 all the way to Japan in 1975.

It was September, 1976.

11 posted on 04/09/2017 11:36:08 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Kyu Sakamoto and Sukiyaki.

I remember it well, from the 60s but I didn't know he was on board.
I will always remember the date the aircraft went down. It was 1 Sep 83, the same day I was promoted to Msgt, in the USAF.

12 posted on 04/09/2017 11:51:03 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Mark17; Lazamataz

The Congressman from my current GA Congressional District (Kennesaw GA, Cartersville, Adairsville, etc) was on that flight.


13 posted on 04/10/2017 12:00:47 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Mine too. Larry Macdonald.


14 posted on 04/10/2017 12:44:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: 17th Miss Regt; Mark17

FROM WIKIPEDIA: Sakamoto died on August 12, 1985, in the crash of Japan Airlines Flight 123, the deadliest single-aircraft accident in history.


15 posted on 04/10/2017 1:39:35 AM PDT by jttpwalsh
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Thanks for straightening that out. Even before I looked it up, I wondered if this was the one that was caused by an improperly repaired pressure dome. It was indeed, that one. It's amazing there were any survivors at all.
Being as I was directly involved in USAF aviation, I pay attention to this stuff. I saw it on Air Disasters, but somehow I missed the connection with Sukiyaki.
16 posted on 04/10/2017 3:18:38 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Gaffer

Isn’t part of I-75 in that area still designated “Larry Macdonald Memorial Highway” or similar?


17 posted on 04/10/2017 3:50:08 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Yes....it is a very short part, but there nonetheless as I recall.

Although a Democrat, he was perhaps the fiercest most conservative Democrat in Congress, strongly pro military, and he was relentlessly loyalty to the concept of America First.

There are only two Democrats of whom I’ve ever approved and he was the first, Zell Miller was the second.


18 posted on 04/10/2017 3:54:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Mark17

I knew the guy who took the photos of Belenko’s MIG. Some of the photos are in the Smithsonian.


19 posted on 04/10/2017 4:41:05 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Gaffer

Back then, almost every politician in GA was a Democrat. Jim Tysinger and a few others in the state house were about it, on the Republican side.


20 posted on 04/10/2017 5:54:55 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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