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Companies need workers — but people keep getting high
Washington Post ^ | 05/19/2017 | By Danielle Paquette

Posted on 05/19/2017 7:26:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: discostu
Of course then you run into the problem of how much is the job actually worth? You can’t pay somebody more than they add to the bottom line.

Labor is a commodity, like any other commodity. Beef has gone up 100% since the 1990's. McD's still sells hamburgers.

61 posted on 05/20/2017 8:14:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

In large construction, the wages are typically Davis-Bacon equivalent of union wages for skilled and unskilled.

And in large construction, there is a big problem with finding “off-the-bank” new hires who can pass a drug test. We are looking at wages that vary due to the local wage rates but maybe average over 24 per hour for semi-skilled non-master rated crafts.

This also gets a lot harder in states that allow “medical MJ” but where the national safety plan or the federal work site or power company work site does not allow any drug use or test failures.


62 posted on 05/20/2017 8:47:41 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: central_va

100% in 2 decades is one thing. With aggressively stupid minimum wage laws labor costs are threatening to double in under 5 years. That’s another matter entirely. Especially in the age of automation when workers are becoming more replaceable.

Oh and McD is losing market share like a punctured balloon, partly because beef prices are going up to the point where their burgers now cost more than their worth. Dramatically better burgers are available elsewhere for slightly more money. Kind of like with automation.


63 posted on 05/20/2017 9:48:44 AM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: KC Burke
We are looking at wages that vary due to the local wage rates but maybe average over 24 per hour for semi-skilled non-master rated crafts.

Total BS. $24/hr is $50,000/yr. The average wage for semi skilled and entry level is a lot lower than that in central VA. You'd be luck to get $15.00/hr.

64 posted on 05/20/2017 10:02:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I am talking central Kansas, suburban Phoenix and southern Missouri. Positions such as minimal experienced electrical wireman off residential can work large commercial at over 20.00 if they can pass the drug tests and show up.

Look at military base work, airport work, power plant overhaul etcetera in your area. Those with Davis Bacon requirements might pay a lot more than you imagine. I know on some of my projects we had guys coming off nearby projects that came to use for a five buck bump.


65 posted on 05/20/2017 10:29:41 AM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke
minimal experienced electrical wireman off residential

What is a wireman?

66 posted on 05/20/2017 11:19:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Keyhopper
Many employers having a hard time filling jobs are shooting themselves in the feet by testing for performance-irrelevant days-ago pot use.

Yeah, but it’s the law!

The law may require SOME employers to test - I don't believe it requires ALL to test.

And the get they a break on third insurance premiums.

I suppose in some cases that may outweigh the loss incurred from being understaffed.

67 posted on 05/20/2017 11:31:19 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: WatchungEagle
We must remember that any article critical of US workers in a globalist publication like the WP is an attempt to bolster arguments for increasing immigration above the already very high levels we have now.

Post of the thread. The moralistic statists are being played by the globalist traitors.

68 posted on 05/20/2017 11:37:18 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: central_va

Often in the residential trades that are non-union, a person will end up with a entry level role as a guy just pulling wire through conduits already run and boxed out. He does not terminations, he just pulls wire which does not require much journeyman understanding.

However, when non-union shops that don’t have established apprenticeship programs work on a Davis-Bacon wage regulated job they have no one that can be paid less than the journeyman rate if they do anything outside of unloading trucks. Not only that, but as benefit amounts are also set by the Davis-Bacon determinations, in many cases there is a 3 to 6 dollar benefit package that the union man has paid to his union but the non-union shop has to put that “on-the-check” with the journeyman wage. Hence the non-union guy (with less benefits) often gets a higher take-home check.


69 posted on 05/20/2017 12:41:46 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: NobleFree

Habitual marijuana uses running fork lifts are a sight to behold — they don’t belong on construction sites anymore than drunks.


70 posted on 05/20/2017 12:44:58 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: KC Burke

uses = users


71 posted on 05/20/2017 12:45:49 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: I want the USA back

the left elitist wants EVERYBODY except them to be part of a massive,immoral, drunk and drugged, promiscuous anti God serfdom of stupid sheeple, and folks, we are on our way..


72 posted on 05/20/2017 12:50:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: little jeremiah

I take CBD oil medicinally (from hemp) and have wondered if the teeny tiny trace of THC would be enough to be picked up by a drug test.


73 posted on 05/20/2017 12:52:47 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

I don’t know...I have read that eating poppy seed bagels will trip the opiod test. I know in Ayurveda medicines were made from bhang primarily for external application for pain.


74 posted on 05/20/2017 1:30:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: NobleFree

Yeah, morals are so icky.


75 posted on 05/20/2017 1:31:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: gdani

They do. What do you think you “know?”


76 posted on 05/20/2017 1:37:14 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: central_va

Are you saying that if the jobs paid more, they would quit drugs?


77 posted on 05/20/2017 1:39:46 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: DesertRhino
If the employers want employees bad enough, they might need to stop testing except for cause.

Really? Let's walk that forward to the logical consequence.

That means you can only drug test AFTER the bus runs off the road and rolls.

Again, really?

78 posted on 05/20/2017 1:45:39 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: zeugma

False positives? That’s why there’s always “Sample A” and “Sample B.”


79 posted on 05/20/2017 1:47:58 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: Daniel Ramsey

Amen.


80 posted on 05/20/2017 1:49:06 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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