Posted on 06/07/2017 9:24:11 AM PDT by Hojczyk
It would be nice if there was a public database online by coroner’s office to check cause of death—
There is in some counties. I check Tarrant County Medical Examiners public access all the time. It’s horrifying because of all the suicides. They explain how it was done, ie intraoral gunshot etc.
You are aware that I am talking about "recreational" drug users, aren't you? That's on the doctor and the patient. When treatment has bad outcomes it is incumbent on the patient to demand it be set straight, and on the doctor to set it straight. I'll bet there are way more "fun" users than pain victims.
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huldah1776 wrote:
WHO creates this garbage? The garbage created is the drug itself.
If you meant to imply the ‘garbage’ was what was written, keep in mind that all active duty Police in Baltimore MUST wear latex gloves on patrol - that stuff IS deadly and transcutaneous...
I wrote a note to myself last month that went something like this:
Remember, Satan wants you, he wants your family, he wants your friends. We are at war. GEAR UP!
No, not the article, the drugs. :) The warning should be given to all. Fentanyl should be treated like anthrax. Biological weapon.
The legal stuff is tougher because those truly hurting from a myriad of real causes, including our purple heart vets, deserve and need to have narcotics with well defined, predictable strengths and durations available. Properly dosed, they are essential drugs and relatively safe. More research on why some become addicted and many don't and on what happens biochemically in those who successfully break addiction hopefully can lead to better treatments and should be encouraged to help reduce the involuntary portion of drug demand curve. It would be helpful some kind of objective test could be developed to differentiate between those that need more narcotics and those that merely say they need more. Clinical expertise and experience can only do so much and can err in both directions. Maybe functional MRI could provide such a test in time.
Undoing the damage done to our culture and morals by the 60s generation and its liberal and libertine-arian successors is the long but necessary road to reducing the voluntary portion of the drug demand curve. If we enforce personal responsibility on them, up to the point of poverty and even self-lethality, their pro-drug behavior will will stop seeming cool and will decrease. Just as the lethality of the early AIDS era modified gay behavior until a taxpayer provided cocoon of drugs removed most of the risks. The libertarian argument for legalizations has some validity, but in the present era in which big government spends lots of other folks resources on cushioning any adverse consequences of "your" choice it often degenerates into a libertine-arian argument. I'd listen to the results of experiments in the laboratory of the states if the experiments left those chosing to drug themselves personably liable for damages the drugs did to themselves or, broadly, to others. If they're as safe as some claim they'd be risking nothing! No government safety net, no getting off for crimes because they were chose to be too drugged to know any better. I don't recall hearing such advocated in the current wave of "drug legalization" enthusiasm. Truly libertarian experiments, starting with easier to dose agents (not your synthetic elephant heroins) in well defined jurisdictions with good prospective follow-up studies might produce strong enough real data to convince the drug warriors. Until then I'll stick with the accumulated, conservative, wisdom of the ages.
No, it should be treated with all the respect due to a very powerful drug. Fentanyl, in the well trained hands of anesthesiologists as part of the cocktail of very power drugs used in general anesthesia has been shown to be a remarkably safe agent. But it can be misused and can be dangerous to those who don't even realize it is there. The single most poisonous material by weight, whether you define it as a drug or a biological weapon (both of which it could be) is Botox, botulinum toxin. Worse than plutonium. A full vial of unreconstituted Botox doesn't look like a trivial amount of powder, as in Fentanyl, it looks empty! Yet it hasn't killed off Pelosi nor, for those of us old and honest enough to recall her pre-Botox, has it made her any worse. The recent outbreak of food poisoning from botulism, which killed some and gave others long courses of mechanical ventilation, don't negate its many, clever uses for unquestionably medically serious neuromuscular disorders, nor its many more uses for arguably trivial cosmetic purposes. If anything its vast cosmetic use with hardly any adverse effects reported (other than looking like Pelosi) demonstrates that we can figure out ways to medically use dangerous materials safely. Just as we, here, don't blame the guns but rather the shooters, blame not the drug but those who misuse it for the consequences of that misuse. That said we should encourage proper training in how to use and store our drugs (and guns) safely and treat drugs of unknown status as carefully as we would the odd gun left untended. I'm glad our first responders are being well educated here, but I wouldn't make too much of this being 'new.' IIRC, Homer covered it.
Ah, thank you for the education! I avoid all drugs and take only aspirin when I need it. So far. :)
It truly is a war between good and evil....
I read the other day that over 50% of this proscribed opiate based drugs will become addicted after 90 days of use...
That is staggering if true...
These are not normal pain drugs... They change the brain chemistry and replace naturally occurring chemicals... When stopped, the user is driven to get them.
After 90 days the rate is over 70% for our veterans...
These drugs have a proper use and purpose... but obviously have been mismanaged IMHO.
General public study of over 90 usage... Addiction rate is 50%+
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11606-011-1771-0
“substance-use disorders were not associated with chronic opioid use in this population of veterans.”
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