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The U.S. Can’t Leave the Paris Climate Deal Just Yet
New York Times ^ | June 7, 2017 | By BRAD PLUMER

Posted on 06/07/2017 1:23:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Last week, President Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. But it will take more than one speech to pull out: Under the rules of the deal, which the White House says it will follow, the earliest any country can leave is Nov. 4, 2020. That means the United States will remain a party to the accord for nearly all of Mr. Trump’s current term, and it could still try to influence the climate talks during that span.

So the next four years will be a busy time for climate policy. Mr. Trump’s aides plan to keep working to dismantle domestic climate programs like the Clean Power Plan. And the world’s nations will meet regularly to hash out details of the Paris agreement, even as the United States’ exit looms. Here is what comes next.

November 2017

Negotiators for 195 nations will meet in Bonn, Germany, to discuss how to carry out the Paris agreement. Every country has already submitted an initial pledge for curbing greenhouse gas emissions. But officials now have to write rules for monitoring and verifying those pledges.

Technically, the United States is still the co-chair of a key committee on transparency measures. In the past, American officials have taken a keen interest in this topic, pushing for robust oversight of emissions. By contrast, countries like China have argued for looser scrutiny for developing nations.

“The question is whether the Trump administration still shows up for those discussions,” said Andrew Light, a senior climate change adviser at the State Department under President Barack Obama. “If they really are pushing to ‘renegotiate’ the deal, as they say, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fakenews; fakescience; globalism; globalwarming; hoax; noparisaccords; nyts; socialism; trumpclimatechange
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“If they really are pushing to ‘renegotiate’ the deal, as they say, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go.”

Didn’t France, Italy and Germany say that Paris Accord cannot be renegotiated?

France, Italy, Germany defend Paris Accord, say cannot be renegotiated (Issue joint statement)

I’m glad that Trump is at the wheel.

41 posted on 06/07/2017 2:20:21 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

we are not in any treaty obligation and we can leave the silly paris global warning club or whatver its called...any damned time we wanna

and there aint nobody gonna stop us, anyways!

if DJT stays in its his fault, his bad decision
and since he is smart i doubt he will stay in


42 posted on 06/07/2017 2:22:22 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

All we have to do is quit sending money. There’s no law that requires us to do anything.


43 posted on 06/07/2017 2:27:12 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That’s total BS.
It’s not a treaty unless approved by Congress.
POTUS cannot unilaterally make treaties.


44 posted on 06/07/2017 2:29:36 PM PDT by BuffaloJack ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: BuffaloJack

It’s self regulating. The US won’t fund it nor participate in it. If Paris wants to put the US’s name on it, have fun.


45 posted on 06/07/2017 2:32:36 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("“In America, we don’t worship government, we worship God.”" DJT)
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To: silverleaf

first step, kick out all UN reps..and charge them rent for the years they have been here

2nd declare we like carbon and do not see it as a threat

3rd, charge the UN a carbon tax each time they speak from some hellhole, not in the US


46 posted on 06/07/2017 2:35:18 PM PDT by aces (Islam is satans lie)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The legal issues of treaty versus deal and the issue of ratification is one thing.

But, this is ridiculous in a functional way as well: We are not going to partially implement something painful, knowing full well we are going to have to undo it later... we will be pragmatic about pulling out, and not do anything in the first place.

No point in spilling milk knowing you would be sponging it up and putting it back in the jug - might as well not spill the milk to begin with.


47 posted on 06/07/2017 2:42:27 PM PDT by C210N
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To: vette6387

Seems to me he made is very clear when he made the announcement that the US was OUT as of NOW...the day of the announcement.


48 posted on 06/07/2017 2:52:08 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We already left it. No enforcement, no recourse for the socialists to take our money.


49 posted on 06/07/2017 2:53:43 PM PDT by MichiganCheese (The darker the culture, the brighter your light can shine.)
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To: pgyanke

I haven’t heard President Trump say it, so until he changes his stance in an announcement I will believe what I heard him say in the Rose garden. We are OUT.


50 posted on 06/07/2017 2:54:18 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We cannot be a party to an int’l agreement that not only did the Senate ratify, but was never sent to the Senate for ratification. Trump should never have said we were withdrawing. He should have said we were never a party to the agreement as per our Constitutional requirement.


51 posted on 06/07/2017 2:57:36 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you notice the name, it’s “the Paris Climate Deal” or “the Paris Climate Accord”. It’s never called “the Paris Climate Treaty” for good reason. To be binding on the United States, a treaty needs Senate approval, and the departed petty tyrant knew it would never be approved by patriots. Our Senate never voted, so it’s not binding under American law. Bye bye, Paris!


52 posted on 06/07/2017 2:57:44 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No representation and no money.

Eff these globalist weenies.

L


53 posted on 06/07/2017 3:02:32 PM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: Still Thinking

I think you could make that point without abusive language.


54 posted on 06/07/2017 3:09:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (They said what's down is up, they said what isn't is, they put ideas in his head he thought were his)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh, I have, many times.


55 posted on 06/07/2017 3:14:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes. Since the “agreement” was never ratified by the Senate the US is not bound by any of its clauses.


56 posted on 06/07/2017 3:16:46 PM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, seeing as the U.S. never joined...

Obama can pay into it all he wants.


57 posted on 06/07/2017 3:31:41 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The WH did not say it would follow the accords

Regardless of what some pundits think this was never ratified. It is not in effect

We ain’t got to do nothing


58 posted on 06/07/2017 3:36:04 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Vic S
Oh noes.... not that 😱😱😱😱😱
59 posted on 06/07/2017 3:37:19 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Brad Plumer is a senior editor at Vox.com, where he oversees the site’s science, energy, and environmental coverage. He was previously a reporter at the Washington Post covering climate and energy policy. “


60 posted on 06/07/2017 3:41:15 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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