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Conway: 'Not everyone is college material'
The Hill ^ | Olivia Beavers

Posted on 06/12/2017 6:26:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: Vermont Lt
They have devised a system to accomplish several things at once:

  1. Condition young people to demand entry into college (where their leftist indoctrination can be continued)

  2. Have the students (and their parents) pay for the privlege of the students being turned into non-thinking leftists, socialists and communists

  3. Tap the future earnings of young people before they even have a chance to begin their careers (a form of indentured servitude)


41 posted on 06/12/2017 7:08:08 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Best Long Term Prepper Tactic: Beat The Muslim Demographic Tsnami - Have Big Families)
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To: BfloGuy
It's not rudeness.

No, it's nonsense.

I've seen too many highly schooled people who couldn't change a light bulb, or smell the coffee. The dearth of men on college campuses has nothing to do with a lack of intelligence...perhaps the reverse.

We use so little of our intelligence that, except for the low extremes, it's irrelevant.

42 posted on 06/12/2017 7:08:45 AM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Four years of sex and alcohol.


43 posted on 06/12/2017 7:12:52 AM PDT by batterycommander (I learned my Artillery skills from the United States Marines. USNA 65)
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To: RoosterRedux

My high school had a guy whose job was to help kids apply for college. He made a similar statement...whoa did he get blowback.


44 posted on 06/12/2017 7:17:11 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: BfloGuy
Not so long ago, an IQ of 110 was considered the baseline for succeeding in college. That's less than 20% of the white population and 7% or 8% of blacks.
For the rest, there is gender, wymyn, and queer studies.
45 posted on 06/12/2017 7:18:55 AM PDT by cartan
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To: cyclotic
When our boys were growing up I constantly told them if you go to college you'd better plan on getting a "REAL" degree not some bullsh!t one, like some of the ones you just named. I said, if you think we're spending 40k to send you to college so you can graduate with a degree in the "History of polka dots" your going to find yourself paying for your own education!

Our oldest just graduated in Engineering and just started his first job today. Our other one, is going into a trade. He'll probably make more money that all of us.

46 posted on 06/12/2017 7:19:01 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: RoosterRedux

My youngest went to college for a semester and found out that it just wasn’t for him. Not right now, anyway, maybe not ever.

He has since gotten his Class A CDL and is enjoying life, as driving fits his personalty quite well.


47 posted on 06/12/2017 7:25:19 AM PDT by day10 (You'll get nothing and like it!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Absolutely true.

My daughter wisely chose vocational training. She never would have made it through four years of college.


48 posted on 06/12/2017 7:25:46 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (SandyInPeoria just doesn't sound right... yet here I am.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Most universities already have a tech program. Virtually everyone who graduates with a B.S. in chemistry, biology or physics gets a job as a tech.


49 posted on 06/12/2017 7:27:38 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: shalom aleichem
Liability laws had more to do with the elimination of vocational curricula in public high schools and community colleges than anything else.

Also, the “automation” of significant numbers of manufacturing tools such as lathes, presses, mold injection, etc requires a fairly thorough grasp of algebra and geometry at a minimum and the ability to understand some fairly archaic programming skills. An auto mechanic requires some computer/electronic school and playing computer games does not impart those skills.

Too many of today's high school graduates can't read their own diploma or balance a check book.

50 posted on 06/12/2017 7:28:24 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I worked construction in Denver ..left in 2001

The whites were sending there kids to college

The Mexicans were getting there kids in the apprentice programs

Electricians, Plumbers, elevator workers the money trades


51 posted on 06/12/2017 7:30:19 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: RoosterRedux

All very nice, but not the government’s business. Just get us out of the student loan business and let the private sector sort it out, thank you.


52 posted on 06/12/2017 7:30:59 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RoosterRedux

She’s right. One example...the construction industry relies heavily on trade workers. The millennials don’t want these jobs because they’ll get hot or may have to be exposed to adverse weather conditions.

Bew hew.

The older generation of tradesmen/people will retire....then what?


53 posted on 06/12/2017 7:33:17 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Our universities are full of students who have no business being there, particularly if funded by student loans. Starbucks really doesn’t need more college-trained baristas. They will amass debt they can’t repay and many will never have a self-sustaining job.


54 posted on 06/12/2017 7:34:05 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: SoFloFreeper
Most in the media may as well have not gone. Ignorant regarding economics, not very well read when it comes to classic literature, illiterate about the Constitution, unable to discuss history....

LOL....exactly! They get what they (WE) 'pay' for.....NOTHING!

Grrrrrrr.

55 posted on 06/12/2017 7:35:50 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I want the Taxpayer Accountability Bill to be passed.

I want a FULL accounting of EVERY tax dollar paid....whether it be to free college (who gets/and why), welfare, etc.


56 posted on 06/12/2017 7:36:58 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Just because someone isn't college material doesn't mean they are trades material.

Electricians, plumbers, and in general all trade's apprentices have to work during the day and go to school at night to learn their trade. Most college kids probably would fail a course in the National Electrical Code.

The ASE certified technicians who work on your car have to pass a battery of grueling exams on the various subsystems of an automobile. The complexity of current braking systems alone on automobiles would be a graduate level course at university.,

Welders have to have extremely good vision, a steady hand an the ability to flawlessly repeat day after day their technique. You have to be as good at 4:30 pm as you are at 8:00 am. Your welding exams are tests to destruction, if your welds are bad, it will show in an unambiguous way. They don't grade welders "on a curve"

I've named a couple of trades, but in general it applies to all trades. Punctuality, respect for others, and a work ethic are requirements. You can't work at a trade a roll out of bed at the crack of noon. Show up late, disrespect others, you are fired. No discussion. No appeal.

57 posted on 06/12/2017 7:37:39 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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To: 9YearLurker

Health care came about as a benefit that circumvented the wage and price controls implemented by the Truman administration after WWII in a vain attempt to control inflation. It evolved into an expected entitlement for most employees. The subsidization of health care of course raised the price beyond the average persons ability to pay. Econ 101.

I’d like to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the first large corporations band together and build their own private on site schools for the children of their work force with guarantees of employment to those who succeed.

That would throw a monkey wrench into the governmen/educational (chock the industrialists ) complex movement.


58 posted on 06/12/2017 7:38:32 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade

Opps - chock = choke!


59 posted on 06/12/2017 7:39:46 AM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Perhaps a better, and truthful, way of saying it is that college is not for everyone. People need to figure out what it is they want to do in life, and then determine whether they can earn a living doing it. If so, great. If not, that is what we call a hobby.

As a side note, many do very well in college, but come out with nothing marketable to show for it. English, History, Art History and the dreaded Psychology degrees are, for the most part, a waste of effort. These degrees do show that a person is capable of learning, but what is learned is pretty useless in the world.

I should know. My undergraduate degree was in French and Education. I taught school for 4 years, then decided I might like to actually earn a living. So back to grad school it was. I am now nearing retirement with a marketable, but deplorable to many, JD degree.


60 posted on 06/12/2017 7:41:39 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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