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The Odds of Evolution Are Zero
Townhall.com ^ | JUne 15. 2017 | Jerry Newcombe

Posted on 06/15/2017 12:50:19 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Elsie; BroJoeK
>>So; what changing environment managed to create


The environment doesn't have to change for competition over the resources therein to ensue.

Let the games begin!

661 posted on 07/04/2017 5:46:12 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Kaslin

This is just a long winded rehash of the first mover theory put forth by St Thomas Aqinss.

No change or movement can happen without some outside force acting on it.. Ergo if you follow a chain of events back far enough you eventually come to the first mover... God.

Change itself is evidence of God.

I don’t, and have never understood how so many people think evolution and creation are in conflict... They are not.


662 posted on 07/04/2017 5:54:45 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Elsie

As the philosopher David Hume argued, the predictive powers of induction are never actually based on simple observations.

In his critique of causality, he notes that we never actually see cause and effect taking place; we just apprehend the sequence of one thing happening, and then another. What undergirds inductive logic is an assumption, one that can’t be proved inductively or deductively, that “instances of which we have had no experience, must resemble those of which we have had experience, and that the course of nature continues always uniformly the same.”


663 posted on 07/04/2017 6:35:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat

Right here; Lebowski; is where the cro-magnatron man was nearly hit by a radioactive meteor and the five Races of Man evolved.

664 posted on 07/04/2017 6:46:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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665 posted on 07/04/2017 6:49:22 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Elsie
>>Lebowski

The Dude abides...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

 

666 posted on 07/04/2017 7:31:28 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

You got the Number...


667 posted on 07/05/2017 3:13:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat

Satan [one of the apes], cupping his hand below Sniff’s chin to drink the blood that welled from a great wound on his face


668 posted on 07/05/2017 3:15:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat
HLPhat: " who can’t articulate an understanding for why the abiogenesis of RNA/DNA is of substantial practical importance to the thread subject "

Now you're just hiding behind a cloak of stupidity, FRiend.
There's nothing "practical" about this thread, since it's a theoretical discussion on "odds of evolution".
But you've made a number of ludicrous demands, including news on **artificial** production of RNA/DNA in labs, as if that had something to do with possible natural origins.
In response I posted two recent books on the general subject of abiogenisis.
You can make whatever practical or theoretical conclusions you wish from them.

I promise they will increase your understanding of today's ideas on this subject.

669 posted on 07/05/2017 6:24:06 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Elsie: "MUST be? really?? "

Yes, and Occam's razor is not even necessary here because there is no other natural explanation to consider.

670 posted on 07/05/2017 6:28:10 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Elsie: " So; what changing environment managed to create (N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern and what new predator/disease managed to kill off (M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y??..."

Now like our FRiend HLPhat you also hide behind a cloak of stupidity?
You well know many books are readily available on such subjects, if you were truly interested in something other than sharpshooter arguments.
Such books explain in great detail both what we think we know, and what we don't.

Read some of them.

671 posted on 07/05/2017 6:46:28 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
>>There’s nothing “practical” about this thread,

Once again you’ve vociferously demonstrated your ignorance.

Natural Selection is ALL about what renders practical results - and what doesn’t.

>>I posted two recent books on the general subject of abiogenisis.

Post the published papers that document the process for manufacturing functional RNA/DNA and associated mechanisms for self-replication or STFU.


672 posted on 07/05/2017 7:08:26 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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>>Satan [one of the apes], cupping his hand below Sniff’s chin to drink the blood that welled from a great wound on his face

prac·ti·cal
ˈpraktək(ə)l/
adjective
1.
of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory and ideas.
"there are two obvious practical applications of the research"

Warfare - the ultimate practical exercise in human evolution, is it?

673 posted on 07/05/2017 7:16:28 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Elsie
>>You got the Number...

You tell yourself you're not my kind...


But you don't even know your mind
And you could have a change of heart...

Rikki don't lose that number
You don't want to call nobody else
Send it off in a letter to yourself
Rikki don't lose that number
It's the only one you own
You might use it if you feel better
When you get home

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQjNHzaxfQc

Got Pretzel Logic?

674 posted on 07/05/2017 7:23:01 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: BroJoeK; Bob434; usconservative
>>hide behind a cloak of stupidity

LOL.

BroJoKe, your pretentiously regurgitive "knowledge" reminds me of software “architects” I’ve cleaned up after when their fashionable buzzwords and bullshyte failed to materialize (or in some instances even compile) into something producing functional results.

Please tell the class, in your own words:

Why would a process culminating in abiogenesis not necessarily violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

We’ll wait.

675 posted on 07/05/2017 8:32:04 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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HLPhat: "So God made the abomination of Nature we see in Romans chapter 1, did He? "

Oh, come on, you know better than that.
Human nature is categorically different from what we mean by "the natural realm".
In Genesis God declares His natural realm "Good" seven times, and I see no reason to doubt His judgment on that.

Do you?

676 posted on 07/05/2017 11:19:59 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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HLPhat: " The environment doesn't have to change for competition over the resources therein to ensue. "

Agreed.

677 posted on 07/05/2017 11:22:36 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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>>>>HLPhat: “So God made the abomination of Nature we see in Romans chapter 1, did He? “
>>BroJoeK: Oh, come on, you know better than that.

What’s the order of precedence articulated in Romans chapter 1.

“God gave them over”

What does this mean?


678 posted on 07/05/2017 11:29:12 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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Elsie to Elsie: "As the philosopher David Hume argued, the predictive powers of induction are never actually based on simple observations. "

Now here, finally, is an appropriate place to ask HLPhat's question on practicality -- other than philosophical inquiry, what practical purpose is served by such observations?

679 posted on 07/05/2017 11:29:16 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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>>what practical purpose is served by such observations?

You mean like being able to form a practical world-view, rooted in reality, where children are not amenable to being lured into the psychotic delusion that they can choose their gender.

Something practical like that?

XX + XX = FAIL

XY + XY = FAIL

XX + XY = Human



680 posted on 07/05/2017 11:36:10 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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