Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: free_life

The first bit of energy or matter had to be created by a eternal and intelligent Creator.

the devil’s advocate would say ‘does that not apply to the
Creator as well...’


138 posted on 06/15/2017 5:50:12 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies ]


To: IrishBrigade
Just a few things about of the 'who created the creator' question... The question of 'who designed the designer' is most famously put forth by Dawkins in his book The God Delusion which fellow atheist Michael Ruse reviewed and stated, "would fail any introductory philosophy or religion course. Proudly he criticizes that whereof he knows nothing".

1. A known designer is not required by Intelligent Design - you don't need to know who designed the designer when you discover an arrow - you know it was designed. (Can be applied the the fine tuned universe, DNA, rare earth, consciousness, etc...)

2. We know the universe had a beginning (Big Bang) and if there was an infinite past we would never arrive at the present. Logical reasoning leads to the conclusion that the initial cause of motion must be something that is not, itself, in motion—an unmoved mover – the Prime Mover. If every cause is the result of a previous cause, or, if everything is caused by something else, then we have an "infinite regress" of causes which is logically incoherent (who designed the designer). Furthermore, natural processes cannot create natural processes (circulus in probando). So we are logically left with ‘creation’ from outside of nature.

3. When postulating a creator outside of nature, asking who created the creator would be like asking 'how long did it take to create time' - 'how much area did it take to create space' - 'how much weight did it take to create matter'.

4. From a theological Judeo-Christian standpoint, the question becomes "who made God" - that means you are reduced to thinking about created gods. I don't know any Christian who believes God was created. It just becomes an absurd question you might hear a child ask.

141 posted on 06/15/2017 6:32:59 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 138 | View Replies ]

To: IrishBrigade

Eternal means always existed thus not created , it is the only possibility. There has to be an original Creator for something to come from nothing.


157 posted on 06/15/2017 7:16:04 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 138 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson