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Clarence Thomas Attacks Civil Asset Forfeiture, Lower Court Follows His Lead
Reason ^ | Jun. 21, 2017 | Damon Root

Posted on 06/25/2017 2:22:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 06/25/2017 2:22:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 06/25/2017 2:27:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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Civil Asset Forfeiture is a direct offshoot of the war on drugs. And any conservative who doesn’t condemn it isn’t a real conservative.


3 posted on 06/25/2017 2:29:03 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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4 posted on 06/25/2017 2:32:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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I’m with you. I understand the need to fight drug dealers and money laundering and all that. But, everyone should be entitled to due process. How the heck can police or other government officials just seize cash without due process, without criminal prosecution?? How the heck did this evolve to the point where they will seize cash with no criminal activity suspected, and then it’s up to you to sue to get your own money back???


5 posted on 06/25/2017 2:35:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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The "judge" in United States v. Seventeen Thousand Nine Hundred Dollars in United States Currency is Christopher R. Cooper, an 0bama plant on the fedcourts.

Cooper is big on BigGov.

He replaced Royce Lamberth.

6 posted on 06/25/2017 2:38:35 PM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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Well said!


7 posted on 06/25/2017 2:41:59 PM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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I'm no expert on the subject but have done some reading.I can see where some aspects of civil forfeiture might be reasonable.If a large sum of cash or some other valuable thing (jewels,etc) is found it might be reasonable to temporarily take custody of it pending *criminal charges* being filed that are *connected* to the valuable thing (e.g.,drug dealing).If the person is convicted and the jury specifies that the valuable thing was the fruit of that crime then the convicted person doesn't get it back.

Also,the criminal charges I mentioned must be filed within a brief time frame (perhaps 30 days) or else the valuable thing must be returned.

Also,it must be specified that if the person is placed on trial and is found not guilty he/she is entitled to bigtime damages...perhaps $100,000.

8 posted on 06/25/2017 2:43:12 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Comey = The Swamp Fighting Back)
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...it’s up to you to sue to get your own money back???

Yeah, good luck with that. If they're serious about curtailing police powers in this legal larceny scheme, congress should allow the victims to pursue multiples of the amount stolen by the LE entities.

Let's see how eager they will be to seize my $50,000 when they learn the law will allow me to recover a million.

9 posted on 06/25/2017 2:49:11 PM PDT by stormhill
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Uncle Joe - He was the best. Not a piker like Hitler who only killed Six million Jews and Five million other undesirables

No, Uncle Joe killed 20+ million Russians / Ukrainians. This man knows how to Kill.

And the New York Times' Duranty received a Pulitzer for positive Uncle Joe Propaganda. God you just have to love the New York Times.

10 posted on 06/25/2017 2:49:17 PM PDT by DanZ
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There should be no civil asset forfeiture without a conviction for related crimes. None. If that means the bad guys get to keep their loot so the good guys don’t have to endure a grabby government (and it just hasn’t been shown that any government won’t get grabby given the option to be so) then so be it.

There should also be no ordinary civil liability for any situation where the underlying issue is a crime without a conviction for that crime first. Yes, that would mean OJ would have truly walked but is it really the function of our system to make sure someone can extract their pound of flesh however they may?


11 posted on 06/25/2017 2:53:24 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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In illegal alien cases once they are proven to be here illegally should have all their assets forfeited because they are ill gotten gains.

Watch the self deportation begin.


12 posted on 06/25/2017 2:56:16 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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Always entertaining to watch Hitler minimized. The difference between Stalin and Hitler is nil.
Same with nazism communism.


13 posted on 06/25/2017 2:57:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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Hitler and company tried to keep their names off of orders to kill.

Stalin relished putting his on them. Probably read some of those letters from folks pleading with him to save them now that he knows of their plight with murderous cackles of delight.


14 posted on 06/25/2017 2:58:03 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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I agree. You cannot defend when you are assumed guilty and your property is simply taken by the government.

Which by the way has a conflict of interest as government then uses that money to buy things it desires to have.


15 posted on 06/25/2017 2:58:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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National Socialism is Socialism.

Communism is supposedly the end goal of socialism.

So, no difference.

They are all forced to be “patriotic” about their country’s socialism so they are all national socialists and superior to non socialist countries.


16 posted on 06/25/2017 3:01:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Agreed.


17 posted on 06/25/2017 3:03:00 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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Isn’t minimizing Hitler to show he didn’t measure up to Stalin’s accomplishments in cruelty and death.


18 posted on 06/25/2017 3:04:34 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Probably a Nagant in that holster in the picture above.


19 posted on 06/25/2017 3:22:45 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Which part of “without due process” did you not understand?


20 posted on 06/25/2017 3:22:56 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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