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This is good substantive reporting - lots of facts and quotes regarding the problems in the Seventh Fleet. The "many experts" are actually identified and quoted. The general thrust of the article is that the Navy is being stretched pretty thin.

1 posted on 08/23/2017 4:29:33 PM PDT by Jagermonster
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One thing I found particularly interesting is that the Navy has shrunk over 25% since 1996. Per the article, there were 375 ships in 1996, and now there are 275.


2 posted on 08/23/2017 4:34:19 PM PDT by Jagermonster (TANSTAAFL)
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Have you seen some of the people joining the Navy lately? I have , and all I can say is wow how the hell did they graduate college, plus many of them have no respect for the military, and only want their handouts.
You can actually sit there at MEPS and guess which ones are joining what service today.


3 posted on 08/23/2017 4:35:01 PM PDT by manc ( If they want so called marriage equality then they should support polygamy too.)
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....and the Chinese are NOT responsible for hacking into US Navy navigational systems?.....sure! Just a freak series of accidents......sure!


4 posted on 08/23/2017 4:35:07 PM PDT by Trump_vs_Evil_Witch
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And how much money and time have been spent on social reengineering, training, and advancement based upon being the proper category and supporting Obama’s anti-readiness views?


5 posted on 08/23/2017 4:36:11 PM PDT by Truth29
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Russians! Russians..!

“Nah! You libs just blurt out the most conventient thing..!”

(2 Navy ship crash)

“Hacking..! It’s totally hacking..!!”


Are we really so much better..?

I’d say we are spending WAYYYY too much time on social marxism and stupid gender matters.

But it’s like Rahm said:

“Never let a crisis go to waste”

We should IMMEDIATELY terminate ALL social marxism/gender stuff in one single swoop.

This is a GIFT.


6 posted on 08/23/2017 4:37:09 PM PDT by gaijin
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Obamas admirals are having their impact. Between queers in the bridge, trannies in the engine room, and green algae fuel our ships are likely to sink each other before the enemy. Come on Mad Dog fix this shit already.


7 posted on 08/23/2017 4:38:53 PM PDT by Bonemaker
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The BCA was an effort to address the nation’s deficit by imposing budget caps on both defense and nondefense parts of the discretionary budget for 10 years.

No, this was a successful effort by Obama to greatly degrade our military strength.

11 posted on 08/23/2017 4:43:18 PM PDT by libertylover (Fake News = Hate News)
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The helmsmen were busy attending sensitivity and diversity training instead of driving the boat?


16 posted on 08/23/2017 4:48:31 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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potential problems with training, maintenance, or sailors’ workload

As a former US Navy officer, I always considered this a serious challenge for any good officer. Training helps, but it takes time, increases fatigue, and adds to workload. Training helps in the long run but potentially leads to mistakes in the short term. Maintenance, similarly, is absolutely essential, but again it contributes to fatigue. You have to know when to defer maintenance and accept some equipment out of commission for a longer period than absolutely necessary in order to ensure crew rest - or know when you have to accept crew fatigue as the price of restoring critical equipment.

Everything necessary or desirable for readiness also adds to workload, and eventually that workload gets to the point where bad things happen. Balance is one of the many things that a good officer (or in other environments a manager, coach, or principal) must learn. As an officer, I tried for balance, and as an employer I did the same.

23 posted on 08/23/2017 4:56:41 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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The article covered EVERYTHING EXCEPT possible crew incompetence and/or negligence. These may have been “unintended” deaths resulting from pursuing goals of social justice warriors.


24 posted on 08/23/2017 4:59:28 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.')
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I find the “stretched too thin” excuse really insulting to our great Navy. These ships are not even operating in war zones. Nobody’s shooting at them and they’re not shooting at anybody either.

At this point, they can’t even sail from point A to point B, in completely peaceful waters, without running into stuff and killing their own sailors. There is something waaaay more wrong with the Navy than “stretched too thin.”


26 posted on 08/23/2017 5:03:02 PM PDT by KyCats
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Does it cost a lot to have look outs checking for other ships getting ready to T-Bone your ship? I’m not an expert sailor but I always look out for other boats when I take my little fishing boat out on the water.


27 posted on 08/23/2017 5:03:13 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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Active Duty ping.


28 posted on 08/23/2017 5:04:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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I haven’t read the article and probably wont, but the reality of the situation is that competence and capability are no longer the metric for promotions within the US Navy.

Compliance with SJW PCism is.


36 posted on 08/23/2017 5:13:49 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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"... there is also broad consensus that a lack of funding is likely to be the primary culprit."

Wow! Didn't see that coming. \sarc off

39 posted on 08/23/2017 5:23:37 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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The USS Jacksonville submarine collided with a fishing boat in the Strait of Hormuz a couple years back. Fortunately it just broke off the sub’s periscope. Navy needs to fix their problems.


42 posted on 08/23/2017 5:30:12 PM PDT by SaintDismas
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“Trouble in the Seventh Fleet: what may be behind Navy collisions”

Obama had DoD focused on transvestites?!

43 posted on 08/23/2017 5:31:48 PM PDT by Vision (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid - Reagan)
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his is good substantive reporting

BS, any able bodied seaman could have avoided the collision. Basic seamanship, the entire article is BS.

47 posted on 08/23/2017 5:42:09 PM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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Fewer ships, less money, greater workload equals worn out men and machines. Accidents are an entirely predictable result.


50 posted on 08/23/2017 5:51:10 PM PDT by Drew68
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It takes chutzpah to blame a failure of basic seamanship on the need for more taxpayer dollars. Sounds right out of the military-industrial complex lobbying playbook. Maybe we should spend more on the Navy. But before we blame these collisions on that, why not first look at the leadership aboard these two ships. Was Sanchez the right man for captain or could the Navy have chosen someone better? How was he selected and did diversity play a role?


55 posted on 08/23/2017 6:15:26 PM PDT by Stingray51
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