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Navy Finds No Sign of Hacking in Recent Collisions
Maritime Executive ^ | 9/2/2017

Posted on 09/02/2017 6:21:23 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter

On Wednesday, the U.S. Navy's top officer said that post-accident investigations have turned up no evidence of a cyberattack in the collisions involving the USS John S. McCain and USS Fitzgerald.

The two collisions each involved an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer and a merchant vessel, and the similarity of the circumstances led many to speculate that the casualties might have been caused by hacking. In an address to Navy staff, chief of naval operations Adm. John S. Richardson moved to dispel these rumors. He said that the accident investigators have given cyber factors "an amazing amount of attention," but so far they have found no evidence of any form of cyber intrusion.

In an initial investigative report on the Fitzgerald casualty, the Navy's Seventh Fleet suggested that the incident was due in large part to human factors. "The collision was avoidable and [the mariners involved] demonstrated poor seamanship. Within Fitzgerald, flawed watch stander teamwork and inadequate leadership contributed to the collision," Seventh Fleet said.

Seventh Fleet held several servicemembers accountable for the incident. Fitzgerald's commanding officer, Cmdr. Bryce Benson, executive officer Cmdr. Sean Babbitt and Master Chief Petty Officer Brice Baldwin have been relieved of their duties. The junior officers on watch the night of the collision were also relieved due to "poor seamanship and flawed teamwork as bridge and combat information center watch standers."

On August 22, just a few days after the McCain collision, Seventh Fleet commander Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was relieved of duty "due to a loss of confidence in his ability to command." He was due to retire in September.

On Wednesday, Adm. Richardson said that to prevent future accidents, the Navy has to fight back against a "do more with less" mentality and must maintain its high standards. "We have to make sure that we're properly resourced, whether that be fuel, whether that be parts, whether that be people," he said. Otherwise, he warned, a decline in readiness "sneaks up on you.”

The Navy faces new scrutiny over training and readiness after the deadly collisions, and House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Tx) has scheduled an oversight hearing on the accidents for next week. He called for a thorough internal review, but he also echoed the Navy’s long-running call for more resources. "We ask a lot of our men and women in the Navy. The time they spend at sea is increasing, while their ships age and their funding gets cut. These are just the conditions that can lead to an increase in the kinds of accidents we are witnessing," Thornberry said in a statement. "Congress has a duty to provide our Sailors with the additional resources they so clearly need, and to do so immediately.”

Navy announces independent fleetwide review

On Friday, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer announced the formation of an independent team to conduct a Strategic Readiness Review in response to the recent series of surface vessel accidents. "These incidents are unacceptable and demand a thorough and comprehensive review, which is why I have formed an independent subject matter expert team to conduct a Strategic Readiness Review,” he said. “As we mourn the loss of our Sailors, we must improve upon the way we operate." The independent review will complement the Navy’s own examination of the factors behind Pacific Fleet’s recent casualties.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: collisions; cybersecurity; fitzgerald; hacking; maritime; mccain; navy; usnavy
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Eyeballs cannot be hacked. Where were the lookouts??


61 posted on 09/02/2017 9:14:17 AM PDT by CodeToad (Victorious warriors WIN first, then go to war! Go TRUMP!!!)
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To: bioqubit

“The McCain was rammed. Period.”

It was nearly T-boned perpendicular. No ship runs across traffic in a shipping channel. Like a road, they all go the same direction.


62 posted on 09/02/2017 9:15:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (Victorious warriors WIN first, then go to war! Go TRUMP!!!)
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To: RideForever
No explanation of the 8 ships showing up at an airbase simultaneously while using common navigation system.

Navy Brass needs to call the Coast Guard and ask about classified Navigation Systems... it wasn't the ships that were hacked... it was the....

63 posted on 09/02/2017 9:21:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Asians needs to score 450 points higher on their SAT than blacks to be admitted to elite colleges.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I have no doubt some idiot will chime in somewhere on this thread and say it’s all a conspiratorial cover-up.


64 posted on 09/02/2017 9:28:52 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

>>So how does the USS McCain manage to get itself in front of the Alnic MC and get hit?<<

First, what you read about something being a mile wide is true, but it’s not the purple stripe. Instead, it’s 1.1 nm from the purple stripe over to the right side of the traffic lane (indicated by the fine gray line to the right of the ships.)

Given that distance is just over a nm, let’s call it 2000 yards. The ships are therefore much closer to each other than the half mile you assume. The Team Oslo passed the Alnic to starboard within what looks like just a few hundred yards. And in that area was the McCain. In other words, it was very congested.

If you replay the video, you can see a trailing ship, the Ghang Zhou Wan, actually turn to starboard from its original course coming up on the port side of the Alnic and then return to course after that move. (See .50 to .55 on the video, a span of about six minutes in all.) That move could very well be the result of the captain of that ship seeing a mess developing ahead and steering away from it.

In other words, the captain of the McCain somehow managed to get surrounded by large ships and the result was a collision.


65 posted on 09/02/2017 9:48:01 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: xzins
My experience was in the USAF, where "motor pool" is a low-grade support, function -- historically manned by the very bottom of the AFQT score distribution. However, the origin was incidental; the academic performance of the NCOs was demonstrably abysmal -- even when "carried along" by the "whiz kids". The huge error was placing both groups in the same class: the "whiz kids" knew that their future "leaders" had all flunked the 4X accelerated electronics course -- but were "given a pass" "to attain full manning" (i.e. "body count"). [Classification concerns preclude further discussion...]

Re the USN incidents: we completely agree on our shared concern that there apparently were no (or, insufficient -- or, worse, ignored) "Mark One eyeball-brain sensor systems" in action!

66 posted on 09/02/2017 10:51:32 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Treat George P. Bush like Santa Ana at San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Norseman

So if I understand correctly the purple stripe may only be a couple of hundred yards wide and the Alnic MC was only a hundred yards or so to the starboard of the purple stripe.

With the exception of the Hyundai Global the other ships in the cluster around Alnic MC are traveling at around 10 knots.

Thus it appears the USS McCain executes a port turn directly into the path of the Alnic MC who has no place to go because it is already traveling near the purple stripe.


67 posted on 09/02/2017 12:11:56 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

And if they had found hacking they would have raced to tell the world? I don’t think so.


68 posted on 09/02/2017 12:19:04 PM PDT by Veto! (Political Correctness Offends Me)
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To: GOPJ

Hopefully not too obtuse. I was saying “Sure, you can trust your government to always tell the truth.”


69 posted on 09/02/2017 12:46:52 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Presbyterian Reporter; Robe; TXnMA; bioqubit; UCANSEE2; mad_as_he$$
"...Tragically and ironically, my counterpart, Kinkaid’s navigator, was killed in the collision. He was asleep in his stateroom near the point of impact. He was not on the bridge when Kinkaid entered restricted waters. And he was not called to the bridge by the OOD when the watch team became confused about what they were seeing, where they were, and the bridge and CIC watch teams disagreed about the ship’s location. According to the investigation report, the OOD became so preoccupied with trying to figure out the ship’s location and why it was on the wrong side of the strait that he ignored warnings another vessel was closing on Kinkaid. No one called the Kinkaid’s CO to the bridge prior to the collision. Kinkaid’s CO was detached from his command for cause and court-martialed for dereliction of duty and hazarding a vessel..."

I know most of you feel much the way I do, and feel some degree of irritation (to put it kindly) for people who think these collisions are the result of some kind of hack or electronic interference, and I have come to believe that they are susceptible to these fantasies and conspiracy theories for three reasons:

1.) They don't understand Navy/Maritime procedures

2.) They place far too much reliance on the infallibility of electronic systems and believe in inordinate dependence on those systems.

3.) They fail to account for simple human nature, which does not change and makes humans prone to mistakes, not realizing that weaknesses in human nature can be mitigated to a fair degree by strict behavior modification (via training and organizational discipline) to minimize it from becoming a root cause in a mishap.

I mean, look at this account of the Kinkaid collision. I can see them all arguing about their position, while someone on the bridge (probably some poor Seaman Apprentice) butts in and says:

SEAMAN APPRENTICE: "Uh, sir, we have a merchant vessel at 70 degrees making right for us..."

OOD:"Don't interrupt us, we are trying to get this straightened out!"

SEAMAN APPRENTICE:"But, sir...that ship..."

NAVIGATOR:"SHUT UP OR YOU WON'T SEE THE BEACH FOR A MONTH!"

(Note: not saying that happened on the Kinkaid or any specific vessel. Just an example of people acting oddly under stress, not the way they were trained to perform) For those of us who pay attention to this kind of thing, it is like watching re-runs of old horror movies.

Girl, don't go in there.

Girl, don't open that door.

Girl, you're being chased, don't run to the most desolate and un-populated environment that will certainly turn out to be an inescapable dead end.

Girl, even though you are a high school track star and can run marathons, and the psycho killer has a pronounced limp and can't pursue you much more effectively than an old lady with a walker, you know he is going to catch you.

Naval Personnel, you have sophisticated electronic gear that can spot an incoming missile at Mach 3 and guide a warhead to it, but you are going to deviate from seafaring and navigation protocols and procedures, lose your focus, panic, and get a hole punched in your side.

If the ending didn't continue to be so fascinatingly gruesome and egregious each time it happens (much the way the psycho killer ALWAY catches the stupid girl in a dead end with no escape and brutally murders her) we would have stopped paying attention to it years ago.

70 posted on 09/02/2017 2:54:11 PM PDT by rlmorel (Those who sit on the picket fence are impaled by it.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
The navy needs more of this.....

Blnk
71 posted on 09/02/2017 3:07:03 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I think we’ll find that the McCain’s captain was unaware of the Alnic until almost the moment of the collision because he was too busy trying to avoid the Team Oslo coming up the starboard side of the Alnic, and therefore, right at the McCain.

Similarly, I think we’ll find that the Fitzgerald bridge was unaware of the presence of the Crystal because it was more concerned with avoiding the Wan Hai at the time. That one looked much more avoidable given the distance involved, but still occurred. The McCain was really in the middle of a lot of traffic at the time of the collision.


72 posted on 09/02/2017 4:44:55 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: bioqubit
The McCain was rammed. Period.

Yeah that can happen if you park your car across the middle of a freeway.

73 posted on 09/02/2017 9:24:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Winter is coming)
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To: WHBates

You forget, they spent 1B modifying the per cruiser to modify them for women. I don’t know what the destroyers cost.


74 posted on 09/02/2017 11:54:31 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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To: TXnMA

that’s how it looked to me ! If you see it different that’s fine with me


75 posted on 09/03/2017 7:10:51 AM PDT by jrd
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
So how does the USS McCain manage to get itself in front of the Alnic MC and get hit?

It's almost like it sped up and cut across in front of the Alnic, and immediately stopped dead in the water. I know that is an assumption, but we are lacking in evidence in both cases (McCain and Fitzgerald) because they Navy has not/will not provide their tracking info.

76 posted on 09/06/2017 9:35:12 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: TXnMA

The guy on watch was in the toilet. His team was in the lounge.


77 posted on 09/06/2017 9:38:01 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: jpsb
McCain obviously was attempting a crossing maneuver in the shipping lane and misjudged the distance to the tanker.

AND YET, somehow as a child, I was able to take a V-8 powered speedboat and navigate heavy traffic, heavy waves with no radar, no GPS, no help whatsoever. Never ran into another boat, no matter how big or small. And most of the time I was going FULL SPEED.

78 posted on 09/06/2017 9:43:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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