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To: Raymond Pamintuan

Who created God?

Someone was going to ask, nobody is going to answer.


7 posted on 09/17/2017 7:01:50 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Say what you will about The Donald, but he has all the right enemies.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Who created God?

Someone was going to ask, nobody is going to answer.

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According to the New Testament, God’s father and Mary created God.


23 posted on 09/17/2017 7:16:39 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: isthisnickcool

1. God is eternal and not created. Even time is his creation.

2. The need for a first cause requires an eternal, omnipotent being to provide that first cause. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ways_(Aquinas)


26 posted on 09/17/2017 7:19:10 AM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: isthisnickcool

What existed before the big bang? Couldn’t have been nothing unless the big bang came out of nothing.


36 posted on 09/17/2017 7:27:54 AM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: isthisnickcool

A SATANIST might.


41 posted on 09/17/2017 7:33:08 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: isthisnickcool

“Who created God?”

Why did God “have to be” created? Who made that rule?


47 posted on 09/17/2017 7:38:02 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: isthisnickcool

Either the Universe has existed for eternity ot it had a beginning. The vast majority of scientists believe the latter. According to the Laws of the Conservation of Energy and of Matter, neither energy nor matter can be created or destroyed, only transformed. Of course, since ‘Trinity’, we know that matter can be changed into energy however, the sum total of all matter and energy has not changed since the beginning of time. Of course, ‘time’ was created at the same instant that the Universe was created. The Creator of everything, I call God, Jehovah, YHVH.

Of course, asking your question, you run into the same issue. If someone ‘created’ God, like the Mormons believe, then the question becomes ‘Who created the Creator of God?’. This creates an infinite progression and to solve it, you STILL need a ‘First Cause’. So, unless the Universe has always existed, there MUST BE a ‘First Cause’. I call the ‘First Cause’, God. As I find nothing irrefutable in the Bible, I choose to believe what God tells me, that He is the Creator and that there were none before Him. If there is anything PROVEN wrong in the Bible, then the whole thing needs to be tossed out.


58 posted on 09/17/2017 8:07:53 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: isthisnickcool

Okay, Good question, but there need be no answer as we see God’s handiwork in His creation. The Bible pretty clearly teaches that the universe is a closed system, with various characteristics just like the weather patterns on the earth- Highs and lows are not individual climates, but simply the outcomes of the forces that act on the atmosphere, pretty simple in its complexity.
, we see the same things in space and time in the heavens.

So, if you look for God as a part of his creation, you’ll miss the best part- He made it, He is not “it”. Think of a fish in a fish bowl- he sees clearly in his water and everything in it, but the veil of the glass bowl distorts everything that he may perceive outside his world- so he looks intently at everything inside his system, trying to devise a rational for what he perceives may be outside. He cannot no matter how hard he tries- it is not within his scope to so do.

It is not hard to accept the premise that a created thing is separate and apart from its maker, take a potter or a carpenter or any “builder” for that matter. He makes stuff from other stuff, granted, he is not like God who made “stuff” out of his simple command. But the potter is not part of his pottery, but he may leave a signature or a telltale of his making of it.

Why would the Creator of something from nothing need a Creator Himself?

The Bible tells us that He is the “Self-existing One”, with no beginning nor end and that He created time space and matter because He wanted to Love and Bless an Object of His Favor. He is the “I AM THAT I AM”, The “Yud Hey Vave Hey” (Yahweh) Literally in Hebrew Pictograms the “Open Hands Nailed to a Tree”.

All of our efforts in logic and “science” ( that is another story for another time) cannot see past Creation to see God- and as He puts it, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. Without faith one cannot see God.

Try a little faith- Ask God to reveal Himself to you so that you may know, seriously- scripture tells us to “diligently seek Him that He may be found” . He won’t make you a super man and give you physical “spirit vision so you can to heaven-He will offer you insight via faith and hope for an eternity future in glory with Him.

So, if you are sincere, you have an answer, if you are not, you’ll dismiss this commentary and trundle along until the day.... He indeed gives you the ultimate in freedom, to accept or reject Him- He loves you that much!

Best wishes and Kind regards.


61 posted on 09/17/2017 8:10:51 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of and they are allowed to vote!War")
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To: isthisnickcool; Hugh the Scot
Exodus 3:14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. John 8:58: Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Henry Morris commentary: "This distinctive name of God identifies Him as the one who is eternally self-existent. All created entities have a beginning, including time itself (Genesis 1:1). As creatures, we must reckon in terms of the past and future, but to the creator of time, all is present. He is transcendent to time as well as space."

Yes this is "mind-blowing" as mortals cannot comprehennd it. It is one of the secret things of Deut. 29:29: The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

66 posted on 09/17/2017 8:25:53 AM PDT by Fungi (90 percent of all soil biomass is a fungus. Fungi rule the world.)
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To: isthisnickcool

God has always been. He is eternal. I you knew Him, you would know the answer to your question.

It is clear how the universe came to be.... In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth....


79 posted on 09/17/2017 9:24:50 AM PDT by coincheck (Time is Short, Salvation is for Today)
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To: isthisnickcool; Raymond Pamintuan; Gil4; jonno; I want the USA back; A Formerly Proud Canadian; ...
isthisnickcool:

Several have responded intelligently to you, so far without your acquiescence, to my knowledge. Sometimes, we need to hear things in different ways before the answer clicks for us, so I'll offer this.

We live inside a cause-and-effect universe, where we have never experienced anything else, nor will we. It leads us to conclude that everything must be that way.

But God, as the Creator of this universe, necessarily lives outside it and its requirement for cause. Indeed, He invented causation as an integral part of our environment. In fact, He is uncaused--there must be a First Cause. Our minds rebel at this idea, not because it is irrational--it is not--but only because of our limited experience.

90 posted on 09/17/2017 11:03:26 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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Omniscience definition required occupation even inside of absolute non-existence (no space, no time even), omnipotence exercised all Its power into infinite geometric division to “go there” to make Itself true to Its own definition. Instead the infinitesimal Singularity now exists as a result. (This is the spatial dimension of depth). Unsuccessful in this attempt to occupy absolute non-existence, the created Singularity was struck into infinite velocity and at infinite angular diversity (important “and”). The “wake” left behind is the infinite expanse, the spatial dimension of height. The angular diversity of the infinite Singularity kinetics is the spatial dimension of width. Great. Now what. 3 dimensions of space. The “wake” that is the infinite expanse implodes down and inward, from everywhere, towards everywhere in the return to the kinetic Singularity.

This flow develops into the contents of the Universe we can sense and measure, including time.

Re-purposing this flow into complex distortions and harmonics produced and unlimited number of finite consciousness’ individuals over eternity.

The collective of these finites consciousness that ARE ALL CAPABLE OF CREATING AND EXPERIENCING ABSOLUTE NOTHINGNESS is harvested and taken possession of.

Omnipresence now has possession and occupation even within absolute non-existence. Done and done. The rock too big for God to lift has been lifted.


116 posted on 09/17/2017 4:03:24 PM PDT by USCG SimTech
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