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Was Las Vegas a Jihad Attack? There is scant reason to doubt ISIS’ claim of responsibility.
Frontpage Mag ^ | 10/04/2017 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 10/04/2017 10:34:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

I forgot to mention that the “note” looks nothing like a manifesto or suicide note that I’d expect. It’s a single small piece of paper by the looks of it, hotel notebook, not even an 8.5X11.

A guy who went through all this preparation would probably write a longer explanation if he wrote anything.


41 posted on 10/04/2017 11:40:55 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (CNN IS ISIS.)
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To: JimRed

People kill themselves all the time in hostage situations, and times when they’ve been caught committing a crime and are holed up.

People kill family members and then themselves.

It all depends on what is going on with the person.

It doesn’t necessarily take a terrorist to do this. Some terrorists certainly do it.


42 posted on 10/04/2017 11:41:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (John McBane is the turd in the national punch-bowl.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t it make sense that if somebody was going to plan something like this and pull it off he would not have any contact with his accomplices via any electronic devices since this activity is being heavily monitored now???


43 posted on 10/04/2017 11:41:27 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: SeekAndFind
Since we all have our tinfoil out;

What if Steve Paddock was an arms dealer? The $100K wired overseas was for the illegal purchase of the guns. He was to sell to iSIS in the vegas suit , Paddock brings all the heavy equipment to town and up to the room for the exchange, the so the terrorists risk nothing getting caught . So he was used , they planed to murder him in the room , make it look like suicide to mask their get away, Simply they used him as a mule , killed. him and the 60 others on the ground, then left him as seemly a suicide decoy to get away. For this to work, they had video monitors in the hall to know when swat arrived. They escaped through a vent or panel in the room, maybe repelled down the open window , who knows ... Paddock’s body and the guns are left in the room., as a diversionary tactic , the terrorists get away and made video feeds of the whole massacre..

44 posted on 10/04/2017 11:43:18 AM PDT by seastay
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To: seastay

All of that is useless to ISIS or whoever unless they can prove they did the act.


45 posted on 10/04/2017 11:45:36 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (CNN IS ISIS.)
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To: Mariner
:mind-altering doctor drugs

That one remains high on my list of potential explanations, though I'm warming to the idea that Paddock may have been set up as the fall guy for this massacre.

46 posted on 10/04/2017 11:46:16 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vegas Jihad theory....


47 posted on 10/04/2017 11:48:40 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: reasonisfaith
He targeted a pro-America crowd.

That's purely an assumption. That crowd may just have been a target of opportunity.

48 posted on 10/04/2017 11:50:06 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: SeekAndFind
But he did not act alone, and the mainstream media is doing the public a great disservice by ignoring all of the evidence that this was not just a “lone wolf” operation.

Lots of speculation here. "Appears to show a suicide note". Could be a room service receipt for all we can tell. Additional shooters- non-opening windows had to be broken out on the 32nd floor...where are the lower floor broken out windows? "No military background... It is physically impossible for a guy like Stephen Paddock to operate such a system in the sustained, effective manner that we witnessed, especially when shooting from an elevated position which throws off all the ranging of the weapon system."- For individual targeting that would be correct. But for simply spraying fire into a crowd, not an issue. Just point at the most densely packed area and pull the trigger.

...impossible for Stephen Paddock to kill and wound 573 people in less than five minutes of shooting with the kinds of weapons that he is alleged to have used. Ricochets, rounds fragmenting, bits of concrete or other debris kicked up, rounds through one victim and hitting another, people trampled in the panic...lots of ways to be injured in that scenario. And I heard almost fifteen minutes; where did five come from?

49 posted on 10/04/2017 11:50:58 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SaxxonWoods

There are video feeds maybe these will be broadcast for propaganda so could be useful to ISIs , and they will also like to claim they have the power to radicalize westerners, whether true or not .


50 posted on 10/04/2017 11:51:05 AM PDT by seastay
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To: TakebackGOP

2017 Congressional baseball shooting: Shooter James Hodgkinson, a left-wing activist, was a terrorist.

I’m tilting towards believing the Las Vegas shooter may have had some sort of political motive though I wouldn’t be surprised if it may be some sort of Jihad.


51 posted on 10/04/2017 11:55:41 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: bk1000

Maybe both a Jihadi and a Trump hater? It’s possible. If you already hate Trump and have become a radicalized Jihadi why not go after the Americans that are the biggest threat to ISIS?

Just sayin’

Personally I agree w/you. It’s just really strange, this was well planned and with the streaming video, all the weapon details, etc. - for somebody that was just a well off accountant - he must have been working with others.


52 posted on 10/04/2017 11:58:05 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

THE MEDIA HAS BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. They have been stoking the fire of leftist violence against ‘evil Trump’ and his supporters. THIS WAS A PRO-TRUMP TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT and the evil leftist murderer (and possibly his DEEP STATE HANDLERS) knew EXACTLY what he/they was doing.

In terms of EXPLOITING America’s freedoms, this massacre was on the scale of 9/11. This was not just some angry guy. This was carefully plotted and well-planned and he had to have had HELP.


I agree. CNN, MSNBC, NYT unintentionally implied the same when they reported that the victims were likely republicans so what are they implying about the shooter?

I think the left wing media knows this and are trying to create the narrative that they were Trump supporters and Trump “Trump is the blame and has blood on his hands for being so divisive”. That’s probably how they will spin it, if it comes out that another left wing loon committed terrorism in Las Vegas.

You’re right. The left wing media does have blood on their hands.


53 posted on 10/04/2017 12:03:25 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: DoughtyOne
People kill themselves all the time in hostage situations, and times when they’ve been caught committing a crime and are holed up.

People kill family members and then themselves.

The absolute crazies to whom I refer.

54 posted on 10/04/2017 12:03:28 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed

Bingo


55 posted on 10/04/2017 12:06:09 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru Him all things are possible.)
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To: Windflier

That’s purely an assumption.


Everything’s purely assumption at this point. It was CNN, MSNBC, a cBS VP and NYT that pointed out that most of the crowd was likely Republicans and Trump supporters. When they pointed that out, what exactly are they implying about the shooter?


56 posted on 10/04/2017 12:07:08 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SeekAndFind

ANSWERS TO 16 STUPID QUESTIONS:

#1 Photos of Stephen Paddock’s hotel room have been leaked, and one of those photos appears to show a suicide note. Why hasn’t the public been told what is in that note?

BECAUSE IT’S PART OF AN ONGOING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

#2 Were there additional shooters? A taxi driver reportedly captured video of an automatic weapon being fired out of a lower level window. A video from another angle and brief footage captured by Dan Bilzerian also seem to confirm that automatic gunfire was coming from a floor much lower than the 32nd floor room that Stephen Paddock was located on. And if you weren’t convinced by the first three videos, this fourth video should definitely do it.

VIDEOS ARE OF OTHER FLASHES OF LIGHT FROM AIRPORT THAT IS ACROSS STREET FROM MANDALAY BAY. ALSO, PEOPLE DO NOT SHOOT OUT OF WINDOWS THAT DO NOT OPEN AND ARE NOT BROKEN

#3 Why were law enforcement authorities discussing “another suspect on the fourth floor”, and why isn’t the mainstream media talking about this?

BECAUSE IN THE “FOG OF BATTLE” HUNDREDS OF THINGS ARE DISCUSSED THAT LATER TURN OUT TO BE SPURIOUS. A CURRENT EXAMPLE, MALAYSIAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 370. SO-CALLED EXPERTS HAVE FLOATED HUNDREDS OF IDIOTIC CAUSES

#4 As Jon Rappoport has pointed out, it would have been impossible for Stephen Paddock to kill and wound 573 people in less than five minutes of shooting with the kinds of weapons that he is alleged to have used. So why won’t law enforcement authorities acknowledge this fact?

HE FIRED FOR 9 MINUTES. THE CYCLIC RATE OF FIRE OF HIS WEAPONS IS 600 RPM +/-. WITH RELOADING PRELOADED MAGAZINES, 200 RPM. 9 MINUTES X 200 RPM = 1800 ROUNDS FIRED. 600 IMPACTS = 1/3 OF ROUNDS FIRED IMPACTED IN LARGE CRUSH CROWD. NUMBERS ARE RIGHT

#5 How in the world did Paddock get 42 guns and “several thousand rounds of ammo” into his hotel room without anyone noticing?

TOTAL GUNS IN HOTEL AS < 20. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME ANYONE IN A HOTEL INSPECTED YOUR SUITCASES?

#6 How did someone with “no military background” and that wasn’t a “gun guy at all” operate such advanced weapons? Because what we are being told by the mainstream media just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I really like how Natural News made this point…

IN REALITY, IT WAS TOTALLY UNSOPHISTICATED FULLY-AUTOMATIC “SPRAY AND PRAY.”

Far from what the firearms-illiterate media claims, these are not systems that any Joe off the street can just pick up and use to effortlessly mow down 500 people. Running these systems requires extensive training, experience and stamina. It is physically impossible for a guy like Stephen Paddock to operate such a system in the sustained, effective manner that we witnessed, especially when shooting from an elevated position which throws off all the ranging of the weapon system.

COMPLETE BS. I COULD TEACH ANY 18 YEAR OLD KID IN BCT HOW TO DO IT IN ONE HOUR. THERE IS NO EXTENSIVE TRAINING INVOLVED.

INSERT MAGAZINE - OPERATE BOLT - POINT IN GENERAL DIRECTION OF CROWD - PULL TRIGGER - EJECT MAGAZINE - REPEAT

Far from being a Navy Seal, Stephen Paddock is a retired accountant senior citizen with a gambling problem and a flabby physique. The only way he could have carried out this shooting is if he were transformed into a human superweapon through a magic wand. I’m calling this “Mission IMPOSSIBLE” because of the physical impossibility of a retired, untrained senior citizen pulling this off.

HORSE SHIT. ANY 1OO POUND CHILD COULD SUSTAIN THE RECOIL OF A 5.56 IN A SPRAY AND PRAY SITUATION.

#7 Why was one woman telling people in the crowd that they were all going to die 45 minutes before the attack?

BECAUSE THERE ARE STONED FREAKS EVERYWHERE.

#8 Why did it take law enforcement authorities 72 minutes to get into Stephen Paddock’s hotel room?

IT DIDN’T.

#9 Why did Paddock wire $100,000 to the Philippines last week?

BECAUSE HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE AND WANTED HER TO HAVE SOME MONEY.

#10 Why was Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, in the Philippines when the attack took place? Did she know what was about to happen?

BECAUSE SHE WANTED TO SEE FAMILY AND HE MIGHT HAVE WANTED HER GONE.

#11 Was Paddock on antidepressants like so many other mass killers in the past have been?

HE WAS NOT ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS. HE HAD A MILD STRENGTH VALIUM PRESCRIPTION MONTHS AGO.

#12 Why was ISIS so eager to take responsibility for this attack, and why was the FBI so quick to dismiss that connection?

BECAUSE THEY TRY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY CALAMITY IN THE WEST. BECAUSE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE IT WAS ISLAMIC TERRORISM, AND HAS MANY EARMARKS OF NOT BEING.

#13 Apparently Paddock had earned millions of dollars “through real estate deals”. If he was so wealthy, why would he all of a sudden snap like that?

BECAUSE HE WAS CRAZY. THERE ARE LOTS OF VERY SMART CRAZY PEOPLE. BUNDY WAS A NEAR GENIUS

#14 Why did he move so frequently? It is being reported that Paddock had 27 different residences during his adult life.

BECAUSE HE FELT LIKE IT.

#15 Why were nearly all of the exits out of the concert venue completely blocked?…

In essence, the concert trapped the people, preventing them from escaping, and denying them the ability to seek cover. From there, sustained, full-auto gunfire is almost impossible to survive.

BECAUSE AT EVENTS SUCH AS THIS, OPEN OR OPERABLE EXITS GIVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THE CHANGE TO SNEAK IN.

From Fox News, a caller named Russell Bleck, who survived the shooting, said live on air, “There were ten-foot walls blocking us in. We couldn’t escape. It was just a massacre. We had nowhere to go.”

#16 Why was a country music festival chosen as the target? Was the goal to kill as many Trump supporters and other conservatives as possible?

POSSIBLY, BUT HE ALSO TRIED TO SHOOT UP ANOTHER EVENT A FEW WEEKS AGO......

THE ANSWER TO ALL OF IT IS..... BECAUSE CRAZY PEOPLE DO CRAZY THINGS.... BUT LUCKILY MOST PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THROUGH ALL THE CONSPIRACY BS.


57 posted on 10/04/2017 12:17:23 PM PDT by Strac6 ("Mrs. Strac, Pilatus, and Sig Sauer: All the fun things in my life are Swiss!")
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To: tsowellfan

Scalise’s wasn’t connected to ISIS. It was a political activist.


58 posted on 10/04/2017 12:27:14 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: DoughtyOne

How about we keep it on the list of possibilities until there’s a reason to take it off?


59 posted on 10/04/2017 12:30:51 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Windflier

He targeted the crowd.

They were pro-American.

The two might be causally linked, or they might not.


60 posted on 10/04/2017 12:32:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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