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Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste

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As a former Marine grunt, I have to agree with this guy. I wish OleSarge was still around.
1 posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
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IMO the shooter did not need to strive for accuracy. If only a third of his bullets found their mark in that crowd, that’s still a lot of strikes. A panicked crowd stampede did the rest.


2 posted on 10/05/2017 12:27:53 PM PDT by dirtboy
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The guy has 20,000 targets and 72 minutes. Shocked he didn’t kill more. This was like shooting fish in a barrel so I don’t buy this story.


3 posted on 10/05/2017 12:27:55 PM PDT by WeWaWes (When I look in the mirror I see an elephant--a bad ass elephant)
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To: Bob Celeste

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4 posted on 10/05/2017 12:30:03 PM PDT by iowamark
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So... the stadium scene.


5 posted on 10/05/2017 12:31:22 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).

I rather doubt that any such proof exists.

6 posted on 10/05/2017 12:31:50 PM PDT by iowamark
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Check out Got News. They claim otherwise.


7 posted on 10/05/2017 12:35:59 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Bob Celeste
Sorry, not buying it.

I have some military training, and I majored in mathematics and know something of probability.

It is true that accuracy at 500 yards with assault rifles shooting on a simulated fully automatic would suck.

But the shot grouping is not necessarily a function of accuracy, but of rate of fire and luck. If one person is hit by three bullets and another by 3...out of dozens of bullets spayed all at once, there is no evidence that the bullets weren't distributed fairly randomly in the area around them.

Moreover his contention that a non-military person would lack the logistical skill to smuggle that much equipment in is just stupid. Just about anybody could figure out how to just hide stuff in a lot of suitcases and take a lot of suitcases up. When they hell have you seen hotel personel checking suitcases when one checks in? Or counting them? Or counting how many trips one makes? He wasn't boarding an airplane.

8 posted on 10/05/2017 12:36:16 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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His claimed expertise is being pushed way too far.

It was an area target. He had optics and a tripod.

Not difficult.

Fish in a barrel comes to mind.

He did not have to shoot at individual targets.


9 posted on 10/05/2017 12:36:38 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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The fellow is talking about a single person as a target, not a dense crowd. That changes things completely. That is the sort of target that never happens (anymore) in warfare. Aiming is irrelevant, as the target is not an individual but at worst clumps of people many yards around.


10 posted on 10/05/2017 12:38:20 PM PDT by buwaya
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Later


11 posted on 10/05/2017 12:38:55 PM PDT by gaijin
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I am going to disagree. While it may turn out more than one shooter was involved, or at least others provided support. This was not some skilled sniper taking out a target at 1500 yards. This was fish in a barrel. Lots of lead down range into a crowd of 20,000. Actually lucky even more were not killed.

As for not being caught by hotel staff, the guy checked in with 10 bags. Hotel staff helped him to his room. He declined cleaning services and would not allow room service food delivery into his room. So there may well be an issue with staff training. But if you have been to Vegas, they are very busy and they see all kinds of weird stuff. As an example, O.J. went to a Vegas hotel room where they were selling sports memorabilia to steal his stuff back. I imagine those guys had a lot of bags to transport their goods.

I have some faith the investigation will reveal the truth. But to the point of the article, I was in the Army for 22 years, I qualified on a lot of weapons. I was the Range Officer for the SRT for a couple of years at one duty station. And I was on the Commanding Generals Pistol Team at Ft. Belvoir many years ago. I don't know the truth yet, but I am not seeing Rambo here. JMHO.

12 posted on 10/05/2017 12:39:30 PM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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.. just as big brother is never your friend

No truer words were ever spoken.
Bears repeating, endlessly.

13 posted on 10/05/2017 12:39:43 PM PDT by tomkat
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Bkmrk.


14 posted on 10/05/2017 12:40:22 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Screw The NFL!!!!!! My family fought for the flag!)
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To: WeWaWes

He only fired for 10 minutes.


15 posted on 10/05/2017 12:40:28 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem wiath socialists is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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Now read, I knew something wasn't right when I kept hearing survivors say that their friends had received multiple bullets to the same body part. For example, one guy said his friend took three bullets to the chest--all while he was standing next to his friend! This means the man was shot three times all at once in the same burst, OR he was shot near-simultaneously by multiple shooters (that tends to happen if you are in the open wearing a red shirt or stand out for some similar reason). Then, another witness said he saw a man with four bullets in his head. I doubt it was actually four but obviously there were multiple holes there. These shot groupings at that distance from the hotel, considering this is a real-life killing, are already professional rate even with just a semi-automatic. But this is also full auto?

four rounds fully auto at 400 yards and all four hit the head?

16 posted on 10/05/2017 12:40:35 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
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Exactly. All you have to do is point the gun in the general direction of that crowd, and you’ll hit many people.

Tripod a must? I don’t think so. Could he have used one? Sure.

As for all the guns he lugged in, how many were long guns?

It will be interesting when the list is revealed. He could have put a number of guns into a bag, and simply moved them on a cart.

Some people request no housekeeping on a daily basis, for privacy concerns.

If asked what was so heavy, he could have stated he was getting ready for an event, and had lots of equipment.


17 posted on 10/05/2017 12:40:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (John McBane is the turd in the national punch-bowl.)
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Where did you get 72 minutes, it was like 12 or maybe under ten.


18 posted on 10/05/2017 12:41:24 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
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Sounds also like possibly an egotistical commando brain who writes in plenty of First Person style, happy to demonstrate how much he knows, what he opines, and therefore we must bank all of it, forthwith.

I really prefer generally to see and hear who it is speaking.


19 posted on 10/05/2017 12:41:34 PM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public Education/Academia are the farm team for more Marxists coming... infinitum.)
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Did you read the part about multiple hits on the same body part?

Granted, it might be that the witnesses were not actually seeing what they thought they were seeing, but if a guy really was shot multiple times in the chest almost simultaneously, it means the narrative we are getting is a crock. But that is a big “if”. It’s more likely the witnesses were misinterpreting what they were seeing.


20 posted on 10/05/2017 12:42:15 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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