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The War on Drugs: A War Where Everybody is a Loser
CrowdH News ^ | 10/31/17 | Andreas Salmen

Posted on 11/02/2017 11:20:11 AM PDT by Bonston

The US government has created a business out of putting people in jail, a quite lucrative one at that. Privately run prisons thrive due to those minimum sentencing practices, while taxpayers pay for often disproportionately long prison times for people that are no immediate harm to anyone but themselves. And as a reaction those individuals are persecuted to the fullest extent, lives are being destroyed, and the nation’s workforce is diminished while the costs are paid by society.

Instead of a helping hand, the U.S. has introduced the tradition of handing out handcuffs to those related to drugs. And that is exactly what we have to talk about.

(Excerpt) Read more at crowdh.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: cannabis; justice; prisonsystem; warondrugs; wod
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To: DiogenesLamp
That phrase occurs nowhere in the Constitution, Mr. Penumbral Emanationist.

Just read section 8. It's close enough.


No, it is not anywhere close at all. It is the tool of tyrants to twist and misapply constitutional restrictions to suit their needs. You sir, are no better. Hopefully, you have no governmental authority.
101 posted on 11/03/2017 7:42:26 AM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Sopater; DiogenesLamp

James Madison said the general terms such as “General Welfare” and “Common Defense” were identified in the list of authorized powers, such as “Weights and Measures”, “Postal Service and Roads”, and the power to raise armies and to provide a Navy.

If lawmakers are allowed to make laws according to their interpretation of the General Welfare clause, then the Constitution is meaningless. Most lawmakers pretend their proposed legislation is for the general welfare, or the common good, or the public safety.


102 posted on 11/03/2017 7:48:06 AM PDT by Kalamata (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“And you think that the crack cocaine problem would have never developed if we were still getting cocaine in our soda?”

“If the cocaine was legal, they were going to eventually make crack with it. I know crack addicts.”

Like civilian guns, crack cocaine is never going to be eradicated.

However, each cocaine soda buyer would only be able to buy so much per month. A DEA order system might track purchases.

If it gets boiled down by the ninth of the month, replacement bottles might officially be five times the price.

A friendly neighbor might sell you his, but it would be illegal.

The normal price of the soda might be increased 50% for each incident officially found to the buyer. The friendly neighbor would repent in a jail or pay a stiff fine.

A $5 two-liter bottle might then cost the overenthusiastic buyer $7.50 each for say five years.

Instead of paying say $150/month for a soda habit, the crack habit would run maybe $600/month at the least in a neighborhood of friendly resellers.

The soda wouldn’t be sold in a store. A customer would have to pay for a delivery service.


103 posted on 11/03/2017 8:37:24 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

There might also be cocaine soda parlors.


104 posted on 11/03/2017 8:40:21 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kalamata

“An Act for the relief of sick and disabled seamen was passed by the 5th Congress. It was signed by President John Adams on July 16, 1798. The Act authorized the deduction of twenty cents per month from the wages of seamen, for the sole purpose of funding medical care for sick and disabled seamen, as well as building additional hospitals for the treatment of seamen.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_for_the_relief_of_sick_and_disabled_seamen


105 posted on 11/03/2017 8:43:53 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Sopater
Ending the lost federal war on drugs won't make it legal to kill people with cars while driving under the influence. Your response is crap.

Of course it won't make it legal, but it will make it more common. Your response is crap.

106 posted on 11/03/2017 9:24:04 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Ironically, the "war on drugs" was a metaphor that became an actual War on Drugs.

I haven't seen anything in that direction that resembles a "war". When there is a massive body count of drug dealers, then I will believe we are fighting a war. Till then, it looks like we are just dancing with them.

107 posted on 11/03/2017 10:34:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I'll believe it's a WAR when I start seeing a body count for dead drug dealers. Till then it's a game of Tiddlywinks.

Drug dealers are being executed literally every day, without benefit of a trial, by other other drug dealers. It hasn't stopped anything. New ones are always waiting in the wings. But you think that if the government starts executing them, that will magically make some huge difference?

108 posted on 11/03/2017 11:07:58 AM PDT by Hepsabeth
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To: Brian Griffin

It was within the power of the Congress, under Article I Section 8, to raise a Navy. Naval personnel have to be cared for. On those grounds, it was constitutional.

A “Living Constitution” is an unconstitutional, man-made construct, designed to trick people out of their rights. The bizarre notion that anything a lawmaker claims to be “General Welfare” is also constitutional, plays right into the hands of Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky whose goal was to promote the use of “democracy” as a tool to get to communism. Our Founding Fathers rightly despised democracy, which anyone but the most foolish understands is simply 51 wolves and 49 sheep deciding what to have for dinner.


109 posted on 11/03/2017 11:36:06 AM PDT by Kalamata (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: Hepsabeth
Drug dealers are being executed literally every day, without benefit of a trial, by other other drug dealers.

That's just a hazard of doing business in that trade. It's both random, and insufficiently fatal to enough of them to create a deterrence effect.

But you think that if the government starts executing them, that will magically make some huge difference?

It did in China. It utterly wiped out the drug trade in China. They do it in Singapore, and it works there pretty well. They are trying it in the Philippines, and so we can keep an eye on the situation there and see if it makes a difference.

I am betting it will.

110 posted on 11/03/2017 1:28:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
They are trying it in the Philippines

Without any judicial process. Is that what you want for the United States of America?

111 posted on 11/03/2017 4:06:20 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
Without any judicial process. Is that what you want for the United States of America?]

Not at all. I would very much rather see them put to death through the judicial process.

112 posted on 11/03/2017 6:28:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Without any judicial process. Is that what you want for the United States of America?

Not at all.

Good to hear. But a bona fide judicial process can't offer the same results as authoritarian states have had.

113 posted on 11/04/2017 6:29:58 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Bonston

The 86 amnesty and the War on Drugs (really a war on civil liberties) were two of Reagans’ biggest mistakes.


114 posted on 11/04/2017 6:51:12 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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