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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
To deny that the Civil War was about slavery is naked sophistry.

You have that completely backwards. To assert that it was about slavery is naked sophistry. I have proof to back up that statement in the form of Lincoln's 1rst inaugural address in which he offers support for the "Corwin Amendment."

If Lincoln was going to offer slavery as a permanent and inviolable institution, then what possible reason would the South have to leave if there only concern was over slavery?

Beyond that, i've done the math. The 11 confederate states, if they voted against it, no amendment to ban slavery would have been possible till we had a Union of 44 states, which would not have happened until 1896. If the other five Union slave states voted against it, it would require a Union with 64 states to override them.

In a non broken Union, it would have been impossible to eradicate slavery.

Beyond that, When the Union invaded the South, not a single order said anything about freeing slaves. In fact Lincoln said on more than one occasion that he did not have the legal power to do such a thing.

So yeah. Saying the war was about slaves, is utter horse crap. The war was over whether or not the South would be independent of Washington DC and the New York power brokers who currently run the country today.

They started claiming the war was to free the slaves about midway through it. The Washington DC/New York cartel won, and their official propaganda was to ever after describe the war as having been fought over slavery.

But no, the War was fought over Washington losing control of all that money produced in the South. Had the North won quickly, the slave labor production would have resumed just as it was before.

73 posted on 11/18/2017 4:55:09 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp “I have proof to back up that statement in the form of Lincoln's 1rst inaugural address in which he offers support for the "Corwin Amendment." If Lincoln was going to offer slavery as a permanent and inviolable institution, then what possible reason would the South have to leave if there only concern was over slavery?”

Hey, come on, man. Stop spreading your horse-shit. You are disrespecting History, Lincoln, and your fellow Freepers. Those of us that have open minds well know that the Corwin Ammendment, which Lincoln fully supported, did not in any way shape or form “offer slavery as a permanent and inviolable institution”. What the Corwin Ammendment proposed, very plainly and simply, was to take the matter of Slavery out of Federal hands and make it thenceforth and forever a States rights issue. Get it straight, ace, before you continue to misrepresent it in public. Read again Lincoln’s words related to the Corwin Amendment from his first Innaugural Address. Slowly, carefully and with an open mind. Be honest with yourself and you can be honest with others. You are twisting the meaning of the Corwin Amendment. And don’t forget that Lincoln sent out letters to every State Governor to make sure each and every one of them was fully aware of the proposed Amendment. Seems that you and your ilk are the last to understand its meaning.

78 posted on 11/18/2017 6:28:33 PM PST by HandyDandy ("Do you think the rain will hurt the rhubarb?")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You haven’t changed my mind about the Civil War and slavery, but we do agree about the harmful aftereffects of the Civil War. Given the deeply Christian culture of the South, I suspect (without any real evidence) that slavery would ended in a generation or two without the Civil War, and racial reconciliation in the South would have been quicker and more peaceful. But to the bondsman, a generation or two is his entire life.


86 posted on 11/19/2017 5:22:56 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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