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Charles Manson Was Not a Product of the Counterculture
The New York Times ^ | NOV. 20, 2017 | BAYNARD WOODS

Posted on 11/22/2017 9:40:30 AM PST by detective

The Manson murders — the seven killings committed by Charles Manson’s followers in two days in Los Angeles in August 1969 — are often thought to mark the end of the 1960s, as if those brutal slayings were the inevitable outgrowth of the counterculture, the dark consequence of long hair, free love, casual drug use and a general breakdown of authority and social norms.

This sentiment was most famously expressed by Joan Didion in her book “The White Album.” She wrote that “in a sense” it was true that “the Sixties ended abruptly on August 9, 1969, ended at the exact moment when word of the murders on Cielo Drive traveled like brush fire through the community.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: charliemanson; counterculture; fake; fakenews; manson; nyt
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To: detective

The author writes in another article that he decided to try micro-doses of LSD on a program to increase his productivity and intelligence.

Nuff Said


21 posted on 11/22/2017 9:59:37 AM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: detective

He may have been admired by Bill Ayers (first I’ve heard of that) but he had a lot more in common with modern white supremacists.

“Where does the garbage go, as we have tin cans and garbage alongside the road, and oil slicks in your water, so you have people, and I am one of your garbage people. I am one of your motorcycle people. I am one of what you want to call hippies. I never thought about being a hippie. I don’t know what a hippie is.”

“Hippie cult leader; actually, hippie cult leader, that is your words. I am a dumb country boy who never grew up. I went to jail when I was eight years old and I got out when I was thirty-two. I have never adjusted to your free world. I am still that stupid, corn-picking country boy that I always have been.”

“Whatever you do is up to you and it’s the same thing with ,anyone in my family. and anybody in my family is a white human being, because my family is of the white family. There is the black family, a yellow family, the red family, a cow family and a mule family. There is all kinds of different families.

“We have to find ourselves first, God second, and kind, k-i-n-d, come next. And that is all I was doing.”


22 posted on 11/22/2017 10:00:01 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: detective

Give his body to wild pigs to eat, No burial for that sorry f*****!!!!!


23 posted on 11/22/2017 10:01:44 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Skywise

No true Scotsman would commit such a fallacy.


24 posted on 11/22/2017 10:02:39 AM PST by Hugh the Scot ("The days of being a keyboard commando are over. It's time to get some bloody knuckles." -Drew68)
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To: detective

The NYT can lie all it wants to, but I was there, and the 60s left was as much about violence and revolution as it was about “peace and love.” “Off the pig” (i.e., kill police), and “political power comes out of the barrel of a gun” were two of the most popular phrases.


25 posted on 11/22/2017 10:03:44 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: detective

“Charles Manson recruited his family from the Haight Ashbury hippies and other young people.”

I’m pretty sure these folks were all SoCal denizens.

“He was admired by SDS and weatherman types like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.”

Can you cite a reference for that? You know, in the interest of accuracy?


26 posted on 11/22/2017 10:05:22 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: robroys woman

“He wasn’t a product of it. He used it.”

He was a product of Hell.


27 posted on 11/22/2017 10:06:09 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SandRat

“When you see the children X’s on their head
if you dare to look at them, soon you will be dead.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykH_ZQhYeMs


28 posted on 11/22/2017 10:12:19 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Didn’t Bernardine Dohrn praise the killings?”

Yes. Dohrn, Ayers and the rest of the Students for Democratic Society(SDS) were admirers of Charles Manson. Rolling Stone magazine also featured Manson on their cover and did a hero worship interview with him.

This was the same Ayers and Dohrn who got Barack and Michelle Obama jobs in Chicago when Obama was just starting out. This is the same Ayers who got Obama placed on the board of the Woods Foundation. This is the same Ayers who wrote Obama’s supposed autobiography. This is the same Ayers who launched and financed Obama’s early political career.

“Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.” was the quote from Bernardine Dohrn at a Students for Democratic Society meeting in 1969.


29 posted on 11/22/2017 10:15:58 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

Manson was a con man. One of the questions that needs to be asked was where he learned the brainwashing techniques he used. They aren’t something normal people pick up on or use. He had training. There was an undercurrent of occult or satanism that ran deep in the circles he ran with. Called the “Process Church” and Anton LeVay’s Church of Satan and other phony balogna plastic bananna good time rock and roll BS that was so prevalent at the time.

One of the followers testified that lots of drugs were used to break down their will to resist. While LSD is some bad, bad stuff, he also mentioned Belladonna, though I suspect he was actually referring to Jimson Weed, or Datura - a pretty flower that I believe probably grows wild in the area of Spahn Ranch. This might explain part of it as well. One of the things he did was forced group sex - homosexual and otherwise. Whatever morals and boundaries one had been raised with, these had to be broken. While everyone dosing on hallucinogenics, they would mock “crucify” Charlie - who would claim to be Jesus, or the Devil, or whatever the situation required. “I’m the Son of Man!” (Man-son.. get it?)

Devil worship and crazy hippies, what could possibly go wrong?


30 posted on 11/22/2017 10:16:27 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: detective

I was to a certain part, involved in the era. I did stuff I wasn’t proud of. I did stuff I was proud of.

Anyway the Manson Family definitely evolved from the 60s counterculture. As did the weather underground @$$holes as you stated so well.

Vietnam caused the counterculture movement as the communists used it to cause it to form. And it wasn’t the war so much as our lack of resolve to finish it and win...and It was LBJ and the congress that decided not to fight it to win.

Those who would be drafted saw a non-win war and decided it wasn’t to die for.


31 posted on 11/22/2017 10:19:18 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Mariner

Read about Manson in Haight Ashbury. Here is one article to get you started.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-manson-was-a-nightmare-from-the-summer-of-love/2017/11/20/7be6834c-2380-11e7-bb9d-8cd6118e1409_story.html?utm_term=.821792438936

“He was admired by SDS and weatherman types like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.” Can you cite a reference for that? You know, in the interest of accuracy?

“Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson.” was the quote from Bernardine Dohrn at a Students for Democratic Society meeting in 1969.


32 posted on 11/22/2017 10:21:00 AM PST by detective
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To: Steve_Seattle
Unreal right. These are animals who tortured and killed a pregnant woman and tortured and killed 6 others and she was all giddy about it, and now she's poisoning our universities as a Professor.

Here's the exact quote...


33 posted on 11/22/2017 10:21:05 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Trump: Greatest POTUS of all time solely for preventing Satan from taking office.)
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To: detective

I’m sure the John Birch Society would have welcomed him! According to this idiot writer at the NYT


34 posted on 11/22/2017 10:27:03 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: detective

Yes he was.


35 posted on 11/22/2017 11:07:37 AM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: detective

Save


36 posted on 11/22/2017 11:10:05 AM PST by submarinerswife (Allahu FUBAR)
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To: jospehm20

NYT: When your lies don’t work, LIE harder, LIE LOUDER!!!


37 posted on 11/22/2017 11:19:26 AM PST by FiddlePig (Who needs Truth & facts when you have narrative?)
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To: detective

Charles Manson was the counterculture, Slimes! Are you hiring morons for journalists?


38 posted on 11/22/2017 11:39:53 AM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: detective
She wrote that “in a sense” it was true that “the Sixties ended abruptly on August 9, 1969...

LOL at these people. I prefer Homer Simpson's take on it:

"For me, the sixties ended on that day, Dec 31, 1969."
39 posted on 11/22/2017 12:34:07 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: detective

‘Hey-ho the sonofabitch is dead!’


40 posted on 11/22/2017 12:37:00 PM PST by onedoug
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