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The Navy Is Changing Its Plans for its Dumbed-Down Zumwalts and Their Ammoless Guns
The Drive ^ | DECEMBER 5, 2017 | JOSEPH TREVITHICK

Posted on 12/06/2017 7:30:02 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The future USS Michael Monsoor, set to become the U.S. Navy’s second stealthy Zumwalt-class destroyer, is underway for the first time for sea trials. The milestone comes as the service continues to reformulate the role of the ships, now saying they will be focused on attacking surface targets at sea, as well as on land, while the vessels' future seems as uncertain as ever in the face of continuing budget shortfalls and personnel problems.

The second Zumwalt-class ship, also known as DDG-1001, sailed down the Kennebec River in Maine, on its way to the Altantic Ocean from Bath Iron Works (BIW) shipyards, giving journalists and others on the shoreline ample opportunity to grab a peek and take photos of one America’s most advanced warships. The Navy expects to commission the USS Michael Monsoor in 2018. BIW laid down the hull of the third and final ship in the class, the future USS Lyndon B. Johnson, in January 2017.

“Michael Monsoor (DDG-1001) is currently on Builders Trials, testing the hull, mechanical and engineering components of the ship,” Bath Iron Works said in a statement, according to the Portland Press Herald. “While all these systems are tested pier-side, there is no substitute for the real world testing taking place in the Gulf of Maine.”

Getting the second stealthy ship out to sea is an important achievement for both the Navy and BIW. The Zumwalt-class has been controversial to say the least and is the end result of a meandering set of often changing requirements and proposed ship concepts dating back to the 1990s.

The class was originally supposed to consist of 32 ships in total and has shrunk to a planned purchase of just three, with each one having a price tag of $4 billion. That’s not counting another $10 billion in research and development costs, either.

At the same time, though, the Navy has steadily hacked away at various requirements, stripping planned systems from the design, in no small part to try and control any further cost overruns and delays. Close-in protection, ballistic and air defense capabilities, and various other associated systems are no longer part of the base design, something The War Zone’s own Tyler Rogoway explained in detail in a past feature, leaving it with limited utility despite its size and cost.

In September 2016, he wrote:

“The various omissions in the Zumwalt’s capability have resulted in a ship that is focused on chucking cruise missiles and sending GPS guided cannon shells dozens of miles inland. But if the Navy wants a stealth Tomahawk chucker, guess what? They already have four of them with far more vertical launch cells than the DDG-1000 has. These are the converted Ohio class nuclear-powered guided missile submarines (SSGNs). In the coming years, Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines with extended payload modules will take up this role as the four converted Ohio class SSGNs are retired.

“Minus its 155mm guns, has the stripped-down, anti-air mission-less Zumwalt become a far more vulnerable above-water guided missile submarine? A stealthy anti-submarine, special operations, and land attack arsenal ship? If so, why not build more submarines instead? They would be far more survivable and can stay on station much longer than the Zumwalt.”

To add insult to injury, in November 2016, the Navy admitted it had cancelled plans to buy the specialized and exorbitantly expensive Long-Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP), each of which would have cost some $800,000, for the Zumwalt’s main guns without an immediate replacement shell in the works. This effectively left one of the ship's key weapons as dead weight. There ships will also receive various additional systems in the form of add-on packages attached to the deckhouse and elsewhere, which can only impact the ship’s finely tuned, complex, and expensive stealth shape in a negative manner.

The Portland Press Herald reported that, while she is officially in service, Zumwalt is still in the process of receiving unspecified weapons and critical mission systems at her homeport of San Diego. Now, struggling to find a job for the ships, the Navy says it wants to turn them effectively into floating arsenal ships full of stand-off weapons to strike at targets ashore and at sea.

JOEL PAGE/PORTLAND PRESS HERALD VIA AP

The future USS Michael Monsoor sits at Bath Iron Works in Maine during her christening ceremony in 2016.

On Dec. 4, 2017, U.S. Navy Rear Admiral Ron Boxall, the service’s director for surface warfare, told USNI News that officials were rethinking the Zumwalt-class’ requirements in light of experiences with the much maligned Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and the new Guided Missile Frigate Replacement Program, or FFG(X). The stories definitely having some similarities, with the Navy struggling to improve the capabilities of the chronically under-performing LCS ships, before deciding to curtail its purchases and pursue a new design, which you can read about in more detail here.

“Let’s get this same type of team together and take DDG-1000, which has some of the most advanced capabilities of any ship we’ve ever produced, and at the same time look at some of the challenges we’ve had,” Boxall explained. “So looking at where we go with that [155mm] gun, how we can take advantage of what that ship is good at, and come up with a new set of requirements.”

“Obviously, a lot of those are classified, but the good news is that we’re going to look at focusing that ship more on offensive surface strike,” he continued. “And so this ship was already designed to do some of that mission, but we were focused on the very clear requirement we wrote for this ship in 1995, and the world has changed quite a bit since then. And so we’re modifying the missions and where we are with it.”

It’s not necessarily a bad idea, at least in principle. As we at The War Zone highlight routinely, developments in various, so-called “anti-access/area denial” systems, such as supersonic and hypersonic anti-ship missiles and progressively longer range integrated air defenses, pose an increasing threat to surface ships and any aircraft they might be carrying on board.

But more realistically, this is just the cheapest and easiest way to find an useful operational niche for the ships to fill. Focusing the stealth destroyers on this particular mission set is almost just a matter of filling the ships’ vertical launch system cells with a mix of land-attack and future over-the-horizon anti-ship cruise missiles, and maybe even finding usable ammunition of some sort for its main guns, but that isn't really even a show stopper.

The Navy may not even have to split the Zumwalt's 80 vertical launch system cells between two types of weapons as it proceeds with development of new versions of the Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM) that have an anti-ship capability. At present, the cells are partially dedicated to highly localized air defense, stuffed with quad-packed RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles. Those weapons could also offer a limited close-in defense against small swarming ships, as well.

The guns would present a different challenge. Even with the now cancelled LRLAP round, which featured a combination of GPS and inertial navigation as the guidance method, these weapons would have have been mainly useful against static targets, not mobile ships on the high seas. Using existing Army guided artillery rounds, such as Excalibur, would have run into the same problem, but the range of each shell would suffer badly compared to the LRLAP.

The Navy is working on a shell that can hit moving targets and do so in the increasingly likely event that an enemy is jamming GPS signals, but this ammunition is still in the research and development phase and it would require a forward deployed "third party{ asset to laser-designate the target. Work on an advanced electromagnetic railgun, which was one possible eventual replacement for the Zumwalt’s 155mm guns, but it is still similarly not in a state where an operational weapon is viable.

In high-threat scenarios, these newly refocused Zumwalts would be best suited to operating ahead of a larger force, making use of networked data links for stand-off targeting information, but still under the outer edge of an air defense umbrella provided by other assets, such as the Navy's Arleigh Burke-class destroyers. They will undoubtedly leverage the Navy's expanding Navy Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air, or NFIC-CA, for this surface strike role, something that it is almost certainly planning to do already.

This ambitious networking plan focuses on providing common data links between ships, aircraft, drones, and any other relevant asset to rapidly pass targeting information back and forth seamlessly. With the system in place, a Zumwalt could potentially launch cruise missiles at land or naval targets at maximum standoff range and in its maximum stealth mode, using data from various external sources, life stealth aircraft and satellites.

It could also pass control off of its launches cruise missiles to other assets operating nearer to the target area if necessary. With their own limited close-in defenses and degraded low observable design, the Zumwalts may still not be able to get close enough to take out more heavily defended targets ashore, though, including long-range radar sites.

But there's a real question about whether or not giving the three-ship Zumwalt-class this operational mission makes practical sense or not. Making the stealth destroyers the service's premier means of striking at enemy surface vessels, as well as land targets, in denied areas ahead of a major naval task for might give the ships something to do, but there would be few of them to go around in an actual contingency or during normal patrols. Also, this role is better served by submarines, both guided missile SSGN and fast attack SSN types, although the Zumwalts bring some networking and flexibility advantages to the fray. But are these small advantages enough to justify this limited role for the $22B class?

The fact that the service will stick the stealthy ships into Zumwalt Squadron One, rather than a unit that describes its function, such as a destroyer squadron, is another possible hint that it might still not know exactly what it wants to do with the ships.

On top of that, the costs to deploy and operate the unique ships could be significant separate from any other considerations. The Navy would have to weigh those costs against a number of other, more pressing priorities, including just making sure the surface force can meet its most basic operational obligations. A string of embarrassing and deadly accidents earlier 2017 has exposed serious, systemic issues that will take years to correct, even with appropriate funding, stable budgets, and clear vision.

In September 2017, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer and U.S. Navy Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson made a shocking public disclosure during a hearing before Senate Armed Services Committee that the service was only able to meet 40 percent of the total demand for surface warships at any one time. The next month, details emerged about a worrying maintenance backlog that was keeping attack submarines pierside for months on end – more than two years in the case of the Los Angeles-class USS Boise – in some cases just waiting for routine work to begin.

The sorry state of the Navy's organic shipyards and subsequent increasing strain on private contractors only compounded these issues. In April 2016, the service had to inject $450 million into the Zumwalt program itself because of concerns about BIW's performance and capacity.

Even if the Navy does deploy the Zumwalts primily in the surface strike capacity, it might not be for long as costs mount to operate the specialized stealth ships in this fairly limited role. It is still entirely possible that the Navy will see these challenges and ultimately decide to turn the Zumwalt’s into special projects and research and development vessels, just as it has done with its three Seawolf-class submarines. Or even worse they will turn into testing ships, with the small and highly unique fleet slowly cannibalizing itself to keep one hull operational. In the meantime this mission shift seems like an attempt to forestall this from happening, at least for the time being. Without the will to invest in the ships to make them what they were once intended to be, this at least gives them a notional purpose for the time being.

What's most frustrating it that it's impossible that the Navy wasn't aware of these issues and this type of potential outcome as it rabidly stripped missions and capabilities from the the class during its development cycle, keeping the program roughly on track, but making it increasingly less relevant in the process. It was a conscious and avoidable decision as we have highlighted in great detail before, and now we will have to wait and see if these ships can win what will be a bloody fiscal battle to keep them in play.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 155mm; boondoggle; epicfail; fail; pos; usn; wasteofmoney; zumwalt
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Make it automatically avoid freighters and it will still be a huge upgrade, even without ammo.


21 posted on 12/06/2017 8:37:06 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As a retired, systems architect, this whole fiasco smells of the basic failure to analyze the operational environment and needs before determining a solution.

The Navy is in love with technology, as is the entire DoD. These ships were to be stealthy, and crammed with to-be-developed, silver bullets.

The problem is, they are unable to deliver said magic ship and now they are looking for a problem to fit this solution!

The Navy needs to do a serious and objective operational analysis of their environment. Determine their missions, and what they need to accomplish these missions, and then see what they have, and determine what they need. Throwing technology and money at problem is wasteful.


22 posted on 12/06/2017 8:37:18 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Build KateÂ’s Wall! Never Forget!)
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To: PIF

I was going to say - this still isn’t as stupid as the LCS. Which says more about the LCS than the Zumwalt.


23 posted on 12/06/2017 8:40:50 AM PST by socalgop
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To: Robert A Cook PE

LBJ - the butcher of Vietnam. Just the guy to have a ship named after him.


24 posted on 12/06/2017 8:43:49 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: PIF

At least the F-35 is armed. Finally. Just recently.


25 posted on 12/06/2017 8:43:50 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: PIF

Dude. Some of those articles are YEARS old.

Wanna see the bug list in a commercial airliner? You know, the ones that fall out of the sky ever day? NO wait they don’t... and yeah, long bug lists, trust me.


26 posted on 12/06/2017 8:47:08 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Mariner

“The F-35 is the best attack and interdiction aircraft in the world.”

The pilots love it. But hey, what would they know compared to leftist journalists getting paid to write provocative articles.


27 posted on 12/06/2017 8:48:39 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: PIF

The Navy brass was jealous of the Air Force’s F-35 rathole and felt compelled to have their own money pit never ending project.


28 posted on 12/06/2017 8:48:40 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Mariner; PIF

I believe that as well, and as things progress, the bugs will be worked out and the utilization of the platform is optimized towards its strengths.

I remember what holy hell was raised the the M-1 Abrams was in development, and we heard much of the same criticisms (too expensive, not enough range, too fragile, couldn’t operate in the desert, etc) and it turned out to be one of the best (if not the best) main battle tanks in the world.

And the criticism of the Abrams wasn’t coming from just a few quarters, it was coming from ALL quarters.

I do understand the criticisms of the F-35, but it is a pretty amazing plane as we learn how to use it.

As for the Zumwalt, it is ugly as sin and far too expensive, but these ships should be viewed as test bed platforms, IMO. They are only going to make two, and maybe three, but I wouldn’t count on it.


29 posted on 12/06/2017 8:54:39 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: TalonDJ

Now that made me laugh, but I hate myself for laughing.


30 posted on 12/06/2017 8:55:33 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

Ya know, before denigrating someone like Michael Monsoor, you might want to read the citation for his Medal of Honor.

http://www.navy.mil/ah_online/moh/monsoor.html


31 posted on 12/06/2017 8:56:59 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: Red Badger

A Destroyer named LBJ? Presidents should be used for carriers—Medal of honor winners for destroyers—thats good. Whats with the lack of guns? It reminds me of the airforce not putting guns on our fighters in Vietnam War. We paid a price when Migs with cannon took out some of our planes (Remember Col Tomb—the North Vietnamese Ace?—He flew a tiger striped Mig 17—came in close with cannon to dogfight).


32 posted on 12/06/2017 8:58:00 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: PIF; Mariner; PreciousLiberty

A major component to using new technology like the F-35 is learning how to use the tool.

A common error with a radical new tool of any kind is to attempt to use it as the old tool was used, and the new tool is often thrown down in disgust and either ignored or used in ways that don’t suit it.

I see it done all the time, and I have even done so myself.

But it is a critical aspect and has been largely ignored by many of the critics who think the plane should be able to dogfight like a F-16 and dive on a target, line up, pickle the bomb and pull away.

They have found with the F-35 that, as they understand the platform and develop tactics, its operational testing performance has dramatically improved.

Few would argue it doesn’t have problems, but...nearly every single new system does...and they are always more expensive too.

Just my 2 cents...


33 posted on 12/06/2017 9:05:44 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It is hard to believe this monstrosity is real. It looks like something out of the cone head movie. Is there any point in trying to make a huge surface ship more “stealthy”. A submarine obviously could benefit from detection evading technologies, but a huge surface ship??? What a waste of billions and billions of tax payer dollars. The Navy should be ashamed.


34 posted on 12/06/2017 9:07:55 AM PST by fireman15
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Keep in mind that also was a case of misusing technology on our part as well. We figured a plane with two J-79s in it could simply power its way through nearly any combat situation, and that wasn’t the case at all.

We had to re-learn how to fly jet aircraft and be far more strict in tactics and energy management.

And we DID have to learn that the absence of a gun, in the face of missiles that still were not reliable, was a severe handicap.


35 posted on 12/06/2017 9:09:13 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: fireman15

I must admit, I felt much the same way as you do.

But I read a book called “Skunkworks” about the development of stealth technology in the mid-late Seventies.

In it, once they figured out the concept for stealth in an aircraft, they realized stealth was completely scale-able.

If they followed the same concepts in the construction of an aircraft carrier or other naval vessel, they could make it nearly as absolutely stealthy as a stealth fighter. Not make it’s radar cross section decrease by the same amount...actually MAKE the RCS the SAME as a stealth fighter! It sounds completely absurd, but that is what Ben Rich (who took over for Kelly Johnson, a legend at the SkunkWorks) explicitly said in his book.

It was shocking to him as well.


36 posted on 12/06/2017 9:15:15 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: fireman15

There are a lot of things the Navy has to be ashamed of in 2017 (with the collisions and breakdowns in training and leadership) but I wouldn’t put these ships at the top of the list. These are technology platforms, IMO.


37 posted on 12/06/2017 9:17:40 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: fireman15
I see these on occasion up in Maine when I drive by, and all I can say is, from my perspective of function will often follow form (pilots like to say if it looks good, it will fly good) I can see how a ship that homely can perform well. It is pretty ugly.

And I love beautiful warships.

I tried some photoshop on one, and thought it made it look much more attractive...:)

I did this because I was having a Freeper discussion with one of our British cousins across the pond who was discouraged at the visual unattractiveness and wimpiness of their newer Type-45 vessels, and this cheered him up...so I did it for the Zumwalt which is even homlier (below is the Type-45 which visually looks FAR more warlike in the dazzle scheme):

These are simply for fun, not to be taken seriously, but...they DO look better IMO...:)

38 posted on 12/06/2017 9:28:08 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Dang. I hope I didn’t kill your thread. Looks like people just dropped off...well, I guess we will have more with other weapons systems...:)


39 posted on 12/06/2017 9:31:09 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: Seruzawa

Perfumed princes and PowerPoint warriors.


40 posted on 12/06/2017 9:40:26 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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