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To: Jim 0216
-- Since indictment (impeachment) of an Officer may ONLY be made by The House, it seems reasonable that the things required to bring indictment including investigation would also belong to the House. --

The point of our disagreement hinges on the differences between impeachment (judgment limited to removal and bar from office) and criminal indictment. It's best we not mingle those terms as though they are equivalent. They are parallel in many ways (accusation, trial, judgment on conviction), but different by the entities involved in accusation and trail, and on the penalty upon conviction.

The House doesn't indict. It can't. It can only impeach and with the concurrence of 2/3rds of the Senate, remove from office. I think vital to have a coherent discussion, your statement would have been more accurate as "Since impeachment of an Officer may ONLY be made by The House, it seems reasonable that the things required to bring impeachment including investigation would also belong to the House."

If the executive wants to indict, the system you've set up puts him at at least a timing disadvantage. The executive (the entity with the power to indict) has no investigation. The House could of course share or hand over its impeachment investigation, but the Congress lacks the power to bring criminal charges - for good reason.

151 posted on 01/05/2018 1:20:31 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

OK, we’re really beginning to split hairs here.

Impeachment means to formally charge with a crime or violation of public trust.

Articles of Impeachment is a formal document alleging the charges against a public official, similar to that of an indictment in a criminal proceeding.

https://thelawdictionary.org/impeach/

ONLY Congress has the power to impeach (”bring charges against”) an Officer of the United States.

You know, I think I’m done.

Thanks for the interesting discussion.


152 posted on 01/05/2018 1:58:21 PM PST by Jim W N
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