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“As a Christian, you understand why Jesus was born to Mary (a virgin). You understand why he ministered to men on earth. You understand why he had to die for them as typified by the sacrificial lamb going back to Adam, once Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. That sacrificial lamb ritual had no significance once our sacrificial lamb Jesus Christ was crucified and died. You are not a sacrificial lamb.”

So the the martyrs in Christ were fools for going forth with the gospel without a weapon to protect themselves????

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.

“Please read my words again carefully. I did not state or infer that Jesus was in effect a “Plan B”. The inception of using a lamb as sacrifice to point forward to Jesus death on the cross is what was instituted after sin. It would have been pointless to do so prior to sin.”

“1 Peter 1:20
= “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,”
= Christ was predetermined as the sacrificial Lamb of God....he wasn’t plan “B” if Adam failed.
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Then Peter was in error to have stated Christ was the Lamb of God prior to sin?

“I do not buy into the idea I should stand by and watch my wife and children be destroyed, if I could physically prevent it.”

There was a time when defending our country with weapons meant something, not just for the sake this country, but also for the world.

We are at the turning point when the Beast will not allow this.

You need to prepare yourself and yours for Christ’s return, and all the persecution that will follow.

There are 2 seminal points in the scripture that you should take note of:

1st: The rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem.
2nd: The utter destruction of Damascus.

The Temple is self-explanatory, Damascus is not.

Damascus has been conquered during its history....but never destroyed. Damascus has the unique status of being the oldest, continuously inhabited city on the face of the earth. Not the oldest, but the oldest continuously inhabited.

Being a prepper will not save you and yours, only Faith, Hope and Love.

Faith begets knowledge, Hope begets wisdom and Love begets understanding.

Fast approaching are the times when weapons are detrimental to your continued walk of Faith. Spiritually, weapons will become a crutch.

As a Christian, you understand why Jesus was born to Mary (a virgin). You understand why he ministered to men on earth. You understand why he had to die for them as typified by the sacrificial lamb going back to Adam, once Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. That sacrificial lamb ritual had no significance once our sacrificial lamb Jesus Christ was crucified and died. You are not a sacrificial lamb.

I meant just what I said here. We are not called on to sacrifice our lives to atone for the sins of man. Jesus was the only one who could do that. He did.

It bothers me that you attempt to address these things with authority, and don't grasp what is being said related to truth.

This is the second time you have challenged me on this. You were off base both times.

Once you tried to take me to task as if I had said Jesus was "plan b". I hadn't.

Now you are trying to take me to task as if what I said here related to martyrs. It doesn't. Martyrs are not asked to sacrifice themselves to redeem man. While Martyrs will lose their lives to the cause, they should not be mixed in with the above comments of mine. It's a totally different issue.

I addressed dying to redeem man. You are addressing dying to express devotion to God. While that is a decent thing to address in the proper context, I had not addressed that aspect of Jesus death. Why then did you in rebuttal?

This causes me to wonder if you understand these issues. They are different. Do you know that?

Originally I made these comments in reference to the idea we should not defend ourselves against evil players. It was my premise that when confronted with evil people, we should defend ourselves. I stated there was no reason to submit to death when we were not being asked to renounce our devotion to God.

I gave you examples of God approving of military and other acts standing up to evil. You ignored them.

So the the martyrs in Christ were fools for going forth with the gospel without a weapon to protect themselves????

I didn't state this. I didn't infer this. Once again, you're not quite getting the nuances here. As a Christian you should.

My comments above did not relate to martyrdom. You tried to bring that in to take me to task, but it was not related to any concept I raised.

All well and good, but completely off topic. I did not make any remarks about martyrs, and the comments I did make did address another concept. If you are able, I would appreciate it if you would remain on topic.

Please read my words again carefully. I did not state or infer that Jesus was in effect a “Plan B”. The inception of using a lamb as sacrifice to point forward to Jesus death on the cross is what was instituted after sin. It would have been pointless to do so prior to sin.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Christ was predetermined as the sacrificial Lamb of God....he wasn’t plan “B” if Adam failed.

Then Peter was in error to have stated Christ was the Lamb of God prior to sin?

I haven't said or inferred in any of my statements on this thread, that Jesus was "plan b". This has been called to your attention. You have ignored my clarification to attempt to charge me once again falsely. I believe this is the third time in all. Why would you do that? As a Christian do you believe it is reasoned to charge someone falsely?

I do not buy into the idea I should stand by and watch my wife and children be destroyed, if I could physically prevent it.

You are confusing something here in that I wouldn’t protect my family under my roof....I would, however, within this same thread with “Elsie”, I stated I would, but, if that obligation no longer existed, I would turn the other cheek unto death for the Gospel of Christ.

I know this. You stated you would sacrifice yourself. For what? That is wholly misguided. It is why I raised the issue of Christians not being required to sacrifice their lives rather than stand up to evil. Even the Angels of God took action to move Lot and his family out of Sodom, rather than allow the mob to kill them. You should know this.

There was a time when defending our country with weapons meant something, not just for the sake this country, but also for the world.

"Was" is a massive error here. Our nation still stands up for good in this world. It's defense of Israel is almost Biblical in scope. I'm sorry, but you are woefully off base. We are not at a time when we should simply pack it in and let Islam, Russia, Iran, China, or another nation/ideology subjugate a region of it, or the world. The death and misery in the world would explode. We are humanity's last defense on planet earth, before Christ returns. We do what we can until we can no longer do it. To refuse to, would be evil.

We are at the turning point when the Beast will not allow this.

I'll let God be the judge of that. The Beast has no power over Him.

You need to prepare yourself and yours for Christ’s return, and all the persecution that will follow.

While I believe this, I would not toss it out in a discussion with another Christian FReeper. It's just condescending and irrelevant to the issues at hand.

There are 2 seminal points in the scripture that you should take note of:

1st: The rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem.
2nd: The utter destruction of Damascus.

The Temple is self-explanatory, Damascus is not.

Damascus has been conquered during its history....but never destroyed. Damascus has the unique status of being the oldest, continuously inhabited city on the face of the earth. Not the oldest, but the oldest continuously inhabited.

This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand either. I don't appreciate you taking the tone of preaching to me, because you stepped in it by not grasping the subject matter and focusing on it accurately.

Being a prepper will not save you and yours, only Faith, Hope and Love.

This is mindless pap. We should do what we can to prepare to take care of ourselves. When that runs out or times overtake us, then sure, we should fall back on faith in God.

Do you know that certain Christians have said things like this since the 1970s? Where would Christians have been, if they acted like the next day was the end of the world, since then? Mature Christians know that God expects us to help ourselves too.

Faith begets knowledge, Hope begets wisdom and Love begets understanding.

Fast approaching are the times when weapons are detrimental to your continued walk of Faith. Spiritually, weapons will become a crutch.

Who doesn't know this? Christians have been well versed in the apocalyptic world view of end times. Throwing this out into conversations where you have missed the true intent a number of times, is not helpful.