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H-1B: Immigrants make up nearly three-quarters of Silicon Valley tech workforce, report says
San Jose Mercury ^
| January 17, 2018
| Ethan Baron
Posted on 01/18/2018 6:08:48 AM PST by artichokegrower
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How's that Common Core program working in US schools? Tech companies can't find enough citizen graduates?
To: artichokegrower
H-1B SLAVES!
This is all about ZGoogle. Facebook, Microsoft and every other high tech company suppressing the wages of STEM graduates and having a complacent workforce who they can bully and mistreat!
This program is in serious need of reform.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:12:08 AM PST
by
Jim from C-Town
(The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
To: artichokegrower
How's that Common Core program working in US schools? Tech companies can't find enough citizen graduates?
Here in Dallas, 1 US citizen applies for a tech job versus 19 folks that need an H1B.
Not enough kids in STEM programs in College, but around here you'll be told there are plenty of Americans wanting those jobs... but having been in a hiring role for a Fortune 100 company, in that environment for more than 20 years, I can tell you that there simply not enough Americans in STEM programs. Just visit a local college.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:12:17 AM PST
by
TexasGunLover
("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
To: Jim from C-Town
H-1B SLAVES!
I cannot attest for those particular companies, but at my Fortune 100 company we go through audits to ensure pay equity of H1B recipients. In most cases they're paid at or above other workers.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:13:19 AM PST
by
TexasGunLover
("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
To: artichokegrower
No connection. Plenty of highly skilled IT workers born in the USA. H1-B is all about age discrimination, cheap labor and inherent bias against Americans. Once you get an foreign manager or director in charge, they only like to hire from their own countries.
The quality differential b/w american born and H1-B is huge. We few Americans do most of the work, clean up after them and eventually get replaced. They rarely can problem solve themselves out of a paper bag. But they look good to senior execs on paper... and only on paper.
To: TexasGunLover
Sure, if you are excluding those over 40 in tech... which is very common now. Plenty of highly skilled gen x out there, but alas that old age bias in tech is a problem.
To: StolarStorm
Sure, if you are excluding those over 40 in tech... which is very common now. Plenty of highly skilled gen x out there, but alas that old age bias in tech is a problem.
Again, can't attest for other companies, but at my Fortune 100 company, that isn't the case.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:18:39 AM PST
by
TexasGunLover
("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
To: TexasGunLover
To: artichokegrower
Send them home. Hire qualified Americans of any race or gender
to replace them. America first.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:20:37 AM PST
by
tennmountainman
("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
To: artichokegrower
The H1B program has been severely abused. I’ve heard DJT is changing some of its worst features. However, as it was a couple of years ago, it was a giveaway shared between corporations and foreign workers at the special expense of STEM Americans trying to get into the workplace.
The original idea, of allowing people with unique skills to come here, was probably OK. But after 30 years, serious problems have emerged. I’ll just hit a couple, informed by the experience of one of my boys, a real techie who had mastered out of a physical chemistry PH. D. program due to university politics, and was working his first couple of jobs as a scientific programmer.
Basically, he said that the H1B workers at the lower end of the scale were indentured servants. The original idea was to set the H1B wage high enough that the program would only apply to highly skilled and highly paid foreigners. So, for a Masters or PH. D. level person, it was set at something like 65K per year—in 1989 (more or less). It wasn’t changed since.
Now—if you are an H1B employee, you don’t have a Green Card. If you lose your job, you are supposed to leave the country. But, if you work for some period as an H1B, four years, IIRC, you can get a Green Card. That means that unscrupulous H1B shops can work these people 70 or 80 hours a week, because they NEED to keep that job. That’s a very hard and unjust thing for an American entering the STEM workforce to compete with, especially one with loans to pay off.
The second thing that happens in H1B dominated shops is that Americans are unfavored minorities—effectively foreigners in their own country. My son worked at one place that was Chinese dominated, and another that was Indian dominated. Some of the bosses were decent, others were not. But, there was a very strong tendency to favor their countrymen where promotions or desirable assignments were involved.
It seems that a number of the big Silicon Valley firms are very pro-H1B. At the higher end of the skill scale, 200K to 300K salaries, there may be some unique positions that are difficult to find Americans for. But, at the entry graduate level, that is definitely not the case. It is so discouraging to try and climb the ladder over the H1B barrier that word gets around, and many bright American students avoid these professions.
One might say that offshoring production de-industrialized the United States industrial base. Onshoring excessive H1B labor deindustrializes the US intellectual STEM base.
To: artichokegrower
I suppose this explains why when I call for service help, I get a Pakistan or Indian? /s
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:24:16 AM PST
by
cranked
To: artichokegrower
True...the educator class doesn’t give a shi’ite and the young people lack much of a work ethic. While the H1b visa system is a mess we need it in some cases....hopefully not for long
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:27:39 AM PST
by
rrrod
(just an old guy with a gun in his pocke)
To: Pearls Before Swine
Spot on. Granted, yes, there are companies that don’t abuse the program. But many do.
To: Jim from C-Town
Bingo. The Visa stays with the business. If the worker leaves, they are supposed to leave the country. I understand there is an unwritten agreement among the tech companies that they will not poach each others employees. It helps keep down salaries.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:30:53 AM PST
by
Sgt_Schultze
(When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
To: Pearls Before Swine
But, if you work for some period as an H1B, four years, IIRC, you can get a Green Card.
I didn't know that was possible but a little searching shows that that is correct as long as your original h1b company sponsors you for the adjustment to Eb2/Eb3.
To: TexasGunLover
....I can tell you that there simply not enough Americans in STEM programs.
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Recruit kids who can pass intelligence tests with high IQs as well as psychological tests that indicate their chances of being creative are fairly high. Then get them into OJT and weed out the non-performers during a probationary period. Youd be amazed at what a productive workforce you can create as long as youre willing to make the employee development cost investment.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:43:06 AM PST
by
House Atreides
(BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
To: artichokegrower
Silicon Valley would be lost without foreign-born technology workers. Nonsense. From the University of Washington to Florida State, from UC San Diego to U Michigan to Texas Tech to Rutgers to MIT to Cal Tech to Stanford to U Virginia, to Montana State to U Carolina to Ohio State, etc, etc, etc...This is an insult to US born workers and our colleges.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:44:20 AM PST
by
Drango
(A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
To: StolarStorm
Cisco?
No, we're an applied IT company, not pure IT.
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:45:15 AM PST
by
TexasGunLover
("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
To: House Atreides
Recruit kids who can pass intelligence tests with high IQs as well as psychological tests that indicate their chances of being creative are fairly high. Then get them into OJT and weed out the non-performers during a probationary period. Youd be amazed at what a productive workforce you can create as long as youre willing to make the employee development cost investment.
I don't disagree with that approach, but the legal environment around testing and probationary periods is difficult these days. Even in "at will" states, you'd be surprised how a test can be claimed to be "discriminatory".
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posted on
01/18/2018 6:46:47 AM PST
by
TexasGunLover
("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
To: StolarStorm
USA. H1-B is all about age discrimination, cheap labor and inherent bias against American Correct, but cheap labor is #1. No insurance costs, undercutting low salaries, no benefits, etc.
Lack of American STEM workers has always been a lie.
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