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How's that Common Core program working in US schools? Tech companies can't find enough citizen graduates?
1 posted on 01/18/2018 6:08:48 AM PST by artichokegrower
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H-1B SLAVES!

This is all about ZGoogle. Facebook, Microsoft and every other high tech company suppressing the wages of STEM graduates and having a complacent workforce who they can bully and mistreat!

This program is in serious need of reform.


2 posted on 01/18/2018 6:12:08 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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How's that Common Core program working in US schools? Tech companies can't find enough citizen graduates?

Here in Dallas, 1 US citizen applies for a tech job versus 19 folks that need an H1B.

Not enough kids in STEM programs in College, but around here you'll be told there are plenty of Americans wanting those jobs... but having been in a hiring role for a Fortune 100 company, in that environment for more than 20 years, I can tell you that there simply not enough Americans in STEM programs. Just visit a local college.
3 posted on 01/18/2018 6:12:17 AM PST by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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No connection. Plenty of highly skilled IT workers born in the USA. H1-B is all about age discrimination, cheap labor and inherent bias against Americans. Once you get an foreign manager or director in charge, they only like to hire from their own countries.

The quality differential b/w american born and H1-B is huge. We few Americans do most of the work, clean up after them and eventually get replaced. They rarely can problem solve themselves out of a paper bag. But they look good to senior execs on paper... and only on paper.
5 posted on 01/18/2018 6:15:40 AM PST by StolarStorm
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Send them home. Hire qualified Americans of any race or gender
to replace them. America first.


9 posted on 01/18/2018 6:20:37 AM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
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The H1B program has been severely abused. I’ve heard DJT is changing some of its worst features. However, as it was a couple of years ago, it was a giveaway shared between corporations and foreign workers at the special expense of STEM Americans trying to get into the workplace.

The original idea, of allowing people with unique skills to come here, was probably OK. But after 30 years, serious problems have emerged. I’ll just hit a couple, informed by the experience of one of my boys, a real techie who had mastered out of a physical chemistry PH. D. program due to university politics, and was working his first couple of jobs as a scientific programmer.

Basically, he said that the H1B workers at the lower end of the scale were indentured servants. The original idea was to set the H1B wage high enough that the program would only apply to highly skilled and highly paid foreigners. So, for a Masters or PH. D. level person, it was set at something like 65K per year—in 1989 (more or less). It wasn’t changed since.

Now—if you are an H1B employee, you don’t have a Green Card. If you lose your job, you are supposed to leave the country. But, if you work for some period as an H1B, four years, IIRC, you can get a Green Card. That means that unscrupulous H1B shops can work these people 70 or 80 hours a week, because they NEED to keep that job. That’s a very hard and unjust thing for an American entering the STEM workforce to compete with, especially one with loans to pay off.

The second thing that happens in H1B dominated shops is that Americans are unfavored minorities—effectively foreigners in their own country. My son worked at one place that was Chinese dominated, and another that was Indian dominated. Some of the bosses were decent, others were not. But, there was a very strong tendency to favor their countrymen where promotions or desirable assignments were involved.

It seems that a number of the big Silicon Valley firms are very pro-H1B. At the higher end of the skill scale, 200K to 300K salaries, there may be some unique positions that are difficult to find Americans for. But, at the entry graduate level, that is definitely not the case. It is so discouraging to try and climb the ladder over the H1B barrier that word gets around, and many bright American students avoid these professions.

One might say that offshoring production de-industrialized the United States industrial base. Onshoring excessive H1B labor deindustrializes the US intellectual STEM base.


10 posted on 01/18/2018 6:24:03 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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I suppose this explains why when I call for service help, I get a Pakistan or Indian? /s


11 posted on 01/18/2018 6:24:16 AM PST by cranked
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True...the educator class doesn’t give a shi’ite and the young people lack much of a work ethic. While the H1b visa system is a mess we need it in some cases....hopefully not for long


12 posted on 01/18/2018 6:27:39 AM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocke)
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Silicon Valley would be lost without foreign-born technology workers.

Nonsense. From the University of Washington to Florida State, from UC San Diego to U Michigan to Texas Tech to Rutgers to MIT to Cal Tech to Stanford to U Virginia, to Montana State to U Carolina to Ohio State, etc, etc, etc...This is an insult to US born workers and our colleges.

17 posted on 01/18/2018 6:44:20 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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That's a misnomer. Think of this. There are approximately 4,600 colleges and universities in this country alone. Let's say on average they graduate 30 students per year in Computer Sciences. That's 138,000 graduates per year. Over a 20 year generational cycle, that's 2,760,000 graduates with some form of Computer Science degree.

That's just in that one specific area, not even counting those who have mathematics or engineering degrees that work to get computer certified in an application, who could fill roles within tech companies.

Don't buy into this whole "H-1B -- we don't have enough people so we have to go outside" nonsense.

Any reasonable tech position will see dozens of applicants, but the companies almost always choose to "outsource".

22 posted on 01/18/2018 6:59:09 AM PST by cincinnati65
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Later


23 posted on 01/18/2018 7:01:25 AM PST by gaijin
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When you saturate a country with people from the outside who depress wages in that industry, you disincentivize locals from pursuing those roles.


29 posted on 01/18/2018 7:22:09 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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It sure wasn’t that way in the 80s when I worked there after getting out of the Navy. I’ve been saying for years that H1B need to go, all of them. They come and stay, keep adding more. Shutting out good American workers, new young American workers. Doesn’t help that our schools over the past 40 years, and likely longer, have sought out “diversity” by importing high number of foreign students to lock out American youth. It is a vicious cycle we now see the results of. Need to undo the damage. Start by ending H1B and sending them all packing. All of them!


32 posted on 01/18/2018 7:26:00 AM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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Couple each H-1B visa with a requirement for a STEM scholarship and internship that will replace the H-1B hire when fully trained.


35 posted on 01/18/2018 7:33:43 AM PST by Petrosius
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Pretty soon, there won’t be many native born Americans living in California.


36 posted on 01/18/2018 7:34:53 AM PST by EdnaMode
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`Immigrants make up nearly three-quarters of Silicon Valley tech workforce’
Visa holders>>>>Immigrants.
Like illegal aliens—these “immigrants” are also docile, compliant & hard working, because the State dept was their employment agency and ICE the personnel dept.
Not just cheap, but you don’t have to worry about them easing you out of your upper management jobs: the perfect `lots of free overtime’ wage slaves.


44 posted on 01/18/2018 8:10:11 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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There are plenty of US tech workers. As wages increase more major in STEM. We need to end H-1B visas NOW!


50 posted on 01/18/2018 9:16:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Tech companies can't find enough citizen graduates?

Sure they can.

But they have rigged the game. They don't WANT to hire Americans partly because they might go out and start their own rival companies.

If you can keep them from getting their foot in the door then you can keep your place at the top of the heap more easily.

54 posted on 01/18/2018 9:27:44 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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Re: How’s that Common Core program working in US schools? Tech companies can’t find enough citizen graduates?

While Common Core has helped lower the performance of US students, that’s somewhat of a red herring.

There are many, many experienced proven skilled American IT people who escaped the school system before Common Core and are currently unemployed or under employed. They are bypassed in favor of cheaper, younger, desperate, compliant H-1B’s. By the age of 35 an American IT person is considered by employers and HR to be over-the-hill regardless of their skills.


70 posted on 01/18/2018 3:29:14 PM PST by khelus
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