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To: nickcarraway

I guess the abacus reference is simply an illustration that the author is using to make her well reasoned points. A good read, helpful to understand what is behind this new Polish law.


2 posted on 02/25/2018 6:46:05 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: prairiebreeze
Jews formed 10% of Poland's population in 1939. They were a large % of world Jewry. In 1780 before the partitions of Poland, fully 60% of the world's Jews lived in Poland -- why? Because Polin welcomed them, gave them freedom to live their way and practice their religion.

Between teh wars tehre was vicious anti-semitism in the press yes, but little violence. The reasons for the anti-semitism in the years 1919 to 1939 were the same reasons as for the strong attempts at Polonization, the anti-polish sentiments in Lithuania etc. - because these nations had woken up in the late 1800s with ideas of exclusive lands for themselves and their nations and to assimilate others in their nations -- this started with the French revolution and the forced Franconization of Bretons, Corsicans, GAscons etc. and you had forced Anglicizations of Cornish, Welsh, Irish and forced Germanization, forced Russification etc.

This is not to condone the antisemitism but to poitn out that it was cultural not racial and it existed side by side with the awakening of Jews to move to Israel (Aliyah) - again, this does not justify the actions

In WWII the fact is that Poles were targeted next after Jews and Gypsies for death. The fact is that if a Pole helped a Jewish Pole in any way they and their family would be executed by the Germans

But after WWII Poland was betrayed by the Americans and British and French - Poles who had sacrificed everything and fought to free France and save Britain were tossed aside, not even getting a pension (General Maczek had to work as a bartender) because the West didn't want to say anything against Stalin

And The Germans were now allies, so there had to be another scapegoat to find -- so why not the Poles, stuck behind the Iron Curtain. It was also a convenient way to assuage Western guilt for leaving them to Stalin's tender mercies

So you have all the post war actions to blame Poles - and this was exacerbated by the communist action against Jews in the 50s and 60s, purging Jewish origin communists.

Now what I see in Poland is a horrifying escalation - Poles are constantly told they were evil, they were evil, ignoring their heroics, ignoring their own suffering, ignoring how they aided their fellow Poles of Jewish origin. After a point in time it gets irritating.

Then OBAMA comes and calls camps where Poles died, he calls them polish death camps -- no one is going to convince me that President teleprompter didn't know what he was saying.

That was sickening. To poles it was like the situation of a man with his family who gets his house invaded by a gang who proceed to rape his wife and daughters, then brings in other people to kill in the man's house. Later the gang splits into two and one group gets the police involved as long as the Police give them the house later. Finally when the split part of the gang is thrown out, the householder, trying to rebuild his life is accused of the actions that the gang did in HIS house to HIS family (and the Polish Jews were family) - can you imagine how frustrating that is?

50 posted on 03/19/2018 2:30:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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