Posted on 03/01/2018 1:20:20 AM PST by BeauBo
The U.S. government has awarded a Montana-based company a contract worth more than $73 million to design and build replacement fencing along 20 miles (32 kilometers) of the U.S.-Mexico border in southern New Mexico, officials confirmed Wednesday.
Existing vehicle barriers west of the Santa Teresa port of entry will be replaced with taller bollard-style barriers.
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One thing that we probably will experience, is a qualitatively new phenomena of illegals falling off these higher barriers, and getting killed or seriously handicapped.
More than half of people who fall from a 30 foot height, will die from that fall. Almost none of people who fall from 18 feet will die from that fall.
Maybe signs in Spanish stating as much, should be posted every so often.
I like your idea about signs in Spanish, warning about the deadly effects of falls from that height - both from a humanitarian and a deterrence perspective.
How about “Cuidado! Las caídas desde esta altura son fatales para la mayoría.” (Beware! Falls from this height are fatal to most.)? Or maybe “Estas Caídas Matan!” (These Falls Kill!)
Then an artful depiction of a stick figure burning in through the atmosphere for a fearsome impact, or horribly twisted on the ground.
Word will get around after the first few of these tragedies, and they will be covered in Mexican media.
Of course rumors of the random subsonic strafing runs would probably travel pretty fast too.
(what if they were to break the sound barrier that low?)
No schifft
Who is the President here? Oh, forgot. Art of the deal.......right
I was down there when the National Guard was down there and used as a force multiplier for the BP. Worked good. There were some hard chargers in these groups that we ran across. We would strike the illegals, day or night, and contain them with our force and bring in the BP or NG who would then flush them with their Oscar force. We had some real Keystone cop chases. The problem was we were 75-80 miles INSIDE our border.
This would not have to be done if you positioned military (NG, State Militia) on the BORDER facing south with proper ROEs to engage anything crossing the border until barrier is complete.
Why not?
Yeah until that next President declares, "Tear down that beautiful wall and open up that lovely gate".
“military (NG, State Militia) on the BORDER facing south with proper ROEs to engage anything crossing the border until barrier is complete.
Why not?”
1. With the money spent on deploying military for that temporary reduction, you could instead invest in longer term reductions (assuming limited resources).
2. “Engage” sounds like “shoot”. We can’t just shoot people for minor crimes, which are not subject to the death penalty, and don’t constitute self defense. It would be a war crime for the military, even on a battlefield.
3. Legally, once people set foot on American soil, they become “US Persons” under the constitution, and they become constitutionally entitled to due legal process. That is why Guantanamo Bay has unique status for holding terrorists - its not legally US territory, and only military law applies. A surge of military to the border might deter a bunch of crossers, but likely only after detaining a surge of extras caught in the act. We can’t effectively detain and process the number we are catching now - we still practice catch and release.
The bottom line is money and political will though. If there was enough money made available, the military could rush the border in weeks with up to tens of thousands of personnel. It would just be hugely expensive to arrange for their housing and feeding and transportation, and create a political firestorm. Objectively, there is not a short term pay off in that is worth the steep cost.
I’ll take a SWAG at $100 Million per thousand people per year - roughly the cost of 25 miles of permanent border wall. If you send a thousand people, they have to sleep, so only about half are working at any given time, and some proportion are in support roles rather pulling shifts, so effectively you would probably field a 24x7 guard/reaction force of about 300.
How much border frontage would they cover? 1,000 people would charitably constitute about two Battalions of Infantry. In the defense, they would doctrinally control about one to two kilometers of front each, or about 2.5 miles total. If you spread them maximally wider, just to maintain observation, you could guard about 18 miles of border (lets say 25, for arguments sake) for a year - for the kind of money it would cost to wall that 25 miles off permanently.
Realistically, you could send some military (a few hundred) to serve as a reaction force for Border Patrol, or conduct a few roundup sweeps/show of force, if you wanted to get some press coverage. In terms of bang for the buck however, Infrastructure, Border Patrol and the ability to detain and quickly process/remove those apprehended is where you make the massively better return on investment.
Please cite this clause and return to DU afterwards. Thanks
Are you not paying them already? BS numbers. Return to MSNBC
Are you not paying them already? BS numbers.
Where will they live? How will they be fed? Vehicles fueled? Clothes washed? Port-o-potties in the field?
You seem to suffer from some BS assumptions of magic free lunches, and seem to have no experience in actually managing anything of this sort - but are quite sure of your assumptions nonetheless. I assumed about $250/person/day for the average of the total of all of the contracted support and personal payments that would be necessary - not much more than per diem for normal TDY travel. Field conditions are going to require additional contracted services - likely a heap more in rural areas, which is the great bulk of the border.
Forget about those kinds of low costs if you want mechanized units to ship, operate and maintain their tactical vehicles - it requires the so called “iron mountain” of repair parts and dedicated maintenance units. If they don’t bring their own vehicles, they will have to rent vehicles - cheaper, but not cheap.
Outside of town, responsible leaders are not going to stick the troops in tents for a year at a time with no gym, no sex, and no entertainment. They are not robots, they are not chain gang prisoners, they are real people. Retention rates will plummet, breaking units. They will likely require Containerized Housing Units (CHUs) with flush toilets, showers, electricity, sewage, beds and closets. It will require essentially building small towns, like we do when deployed. Look at LOGCAP costs for base camps, and we are off the charts of my lowball planning figures.
If you propose to put troops along the whole border, they would have to be overwhelmingly National Guard and Reservists called to active duty - who are not currently being paid. Actual costs will almost certainly far exceed my modest planning factor. Over $1,000/person/day is probably more realistic (but likely inadequate) for mechanized units, far from their home base in undeveloped conditions (the great bulk of the border).
Since we are calling BS, and there is no longer a need to be polite about it, the suggestion of stationing troops all along the almost 2,000 mile border is flat out ridiculous in the real world. Sober up and get a clue.
“Please cite this clause (where anyone physically present in the US is entitled to due process under the constitution) and return to DU afterwards.”
Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution:
“nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Please refrain from unjustified slurs against others if you don’t know what you are talking about, and return to school afterwards.
“nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Well that IS a problem. Gives a liberal judge something to grab to shield every illegal.
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The wall will pay for it self in no time, by giving Americans jobs back so that the money stays here. It will also reduce the illegals that we have to educate and give food stamps and welfare to. Those are just monetary cost. We will also get our culture and country back.
The tops of those bollards should be razor blade edges instead of blunt.
The land mines are in that AF Base in San Antonio. Medina Air Force Base, bunkers that is.
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