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The STEM Glut
Accuracy in Academia ^ | March 7, 2018 | Malcolm A. Kline

Posted on 03/08/2018 9:17:43 AM PST by Academiadotorg

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To: Academiadotorg

A glut? Get rid of H1B, fill those jobs. And restrict L1 and other visas. Send them all home.


21 posted on 03/08/2018 9:34:49 AM PST by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: Academiadotorg
"It turns out that new PhDs in science have a hard time getting a job like their mentor's:

Speaking of Accuracy in Academia, either put the apostrophe in the right place, or leave it out -- depending on the intended meaning.

22 posted on 03/08/2018 9:35:34 AM PST by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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To: Frank Sheed

Yeah, I was a Physics grad student back in the early ‘70s. It was a nightmare. The smartest guy I knew in the program became a farmer after he graduated because he could earn more.

On the flip side, Uncle Sam had a great vacation package for sunny Southeast Asia!


23 posted on 03/08/2018 9:35:51 AM PST by catman67 (14 gauge?)
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To: mikesmad

PhDs are on the more abstract theoretical side of things.

Engineers are practical, applied, real world problem solving.


24 posted on 03/08/2018 9:35:51 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man; Cowboy Bob
Short answer, companies pay them less.

And therein lies the root cause of the glut. The universities are creating roughly the same amount of STEM grads, maybe a bit more, but having a sea of H1B visa types makes for an oversaturation of the market.

25 posted on 03/08/2018 9:37:09 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: lurk

My daughter didn’t want to go to college, that crushed me. Now she’s 29, works in a financial services call center. She makes over $80k per year. I’m glad she didn’t waste money and time getting a lame college degree which didn’t get her anywhere. Thank God I don’t have to worry anymore about supporting her and my grandson.


26 posted on 03/08/2018 9:37:26 AM PST by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: Academiadotorg

Academic scientists discover unbreakable Law of Supply and Demand..................


27 posted on 03/08/2018 9:37:35 AM PST by Red Badger (The people who call Trump a tyrant are the same people who want the president to confiscate weapons.)
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To: Academiadotorg

This was a problem way back in the late 80’s-early 90’s.

There was a huge glut of electrical and mechanical engineers in the midwest. So much so that most of them could earn more as a technician in the trades than they could as an engineer.

It wasn’t just blue collar jobs that were going overseas in those days.


28 posted on 03/08/2018 9:37:41 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it. MAGA!)
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To: rsobin

I tested really well in electricity / electronics on the asvab.

Too bad I am somewhat color blind.

Not a whole range but just enough where I couldn’t quite make out one or two of charts with the number embedded.

Nobody ever asked about color perception the whole time I was in TV production. I ran chyron, set up tape machines and edit suites, and such.


29 posted on 03/08/2018 9:38:04 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Da Coyote
She has entered a field that SJW cretins cannot even spell.

And when they try to they spell it STEAM or STREAM by trying to shoehorn arts, reading and now music into technical study. I guess the liberal arts teachers can't bear to see students succeeding without them.

30 posted on 03/08/2018 9:40:33 AM PST by KarlInOhio (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Academiadotorg

Since this article ONLY references university teaching positions, it is more than slightly misleading. By far the majority of STEM jobs is in private industry, even for PhD’s.


31 posted on 03/08/2018 9:41:07 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Because Apple/Facebook/Alphabet make $40,000 more a year hiring a software engineer from the Indian Institute of technology rather then Stanford or Caltech and they can't run off and start their own company after two years using the expertize they have aquired.

32 posted on 03/08/2018 9:42:03 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Zathras

Engineering graduates from the maritime college in Maine
are getting offers, in some cases two or three: marine engineers to work on merchant ships and power plant engineers to work at power plants, paper mills, and large facilities like the Jackson Lab in Bar Harbor, ME that has plant engineers to operate their boilers, generators, etc.


33 posted on 03/08/2018 9:48:21 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Academiadotorg

We need more people from $hithole$ to park in entry level tech positions for 10 years, and provide services that Americans just can’t do, because of the “free market” or something.


34 posted on 03/08/2018 9:49:34 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: rjsimmon

Hibs program is abused.

They can find americans who can do the jobs but claim thy cannot.

Their trick is to ask for so many skill and “experience with” requirements, then for all the ask for, throw on a ridiculously low salary for all they are asking for. Most folks wont have the laundry list of stuff they want - companies do this on purpose - and the smaller group that does have it, know they are worth way more than what they are offering for salary, and wont leave their better current job for that.

So they set the condition criteria up so that either no american has everything they “must have”, and this allows them to go the h1b route. Of course none of the h1b folks have the entire list of things they said were needed, but these positions never truly needed all that in the first place. Having a mountain of experience and a list of things to know/work with were there to disqualify americans from the job without even having to take time to interview them in the first place.

What it also does do is give them leverage to pay the h1b folks less because “you dont have everything we want, so we will offer a percentage of the salary we were going to offer” - again, which was part of the plan all along. They play both sides.


35 posted on 03/08/2018 9:53:41 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Why are we importing so many STEM graduates from India via H-1B?

Of course this liberal writer will not bring that reality/issue up.


36 posted on 03/08/2018 9:53:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry hornet's nest of 63+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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To: mikesmad

I concur with this ... my middle son graduated Texas Tech in 2016 with a ME and a minor in Petroleum Eng. He was on the job within 2 months at a little over $70m / year. He could be making more but he does not want to leave Texas.

PhD has meant ‘over-educated and over-priced’ for a few decades now.


37 posted on 03/08/2018 9:55:18 AM PST by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

There is no STEM glut.

There is an H-1B glut.
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BINGO!


38 posted on 03/08/2018 9:55:51 AM PST by House Atreides (BOYCOTT the NFL, its products and players 100% - PERMANENTLY)
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To: Academiadotorg

Sounds more like a glut of professional STEM students that don’t want to enter the real world.


39 posted on 03/08/2018 9:55:54 AM PST by shotgun
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To: lurk
There will soon be is a shortage of electricians, carpenters, plumbers, truck drivers, delivery people for our on line orders and oil rig workers.
40 posted on 03/08/2018 9:55:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry hornet's nest of 63+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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