Posted on 03/09/2018 11:27:40 AM PST by TBP
In this age of noisy populist movements, many commentators tend to see anti-immigration sentiment as a threat to democracy itself. “The Muslim ban will make us less safe; worse, it erodes our democracy,” wrote retired CIA officer Glenn Carle last year after President Trump tried to restrict entry to the United States by citizens from seven majority-Muslim countries. In Britain, the archbishop of Canterbury associates Trump and Brexit, phenomena largely driven by opposition to immigration, as part of a “nationalist, populist or even fascist tradition of politics.”
But do these arguments really make sense? The conflation of liberal values (in the classical sense of the term) with a liberal stance on immigration mistakes a policy preference (one I happen to share) for a first principle. An economic migrant wanting to enter a country does not have a “right” to do so in the same way that a citizen of that country has a right to free speech. If 99.9 percent of a country’s population wanted to abridge the free speech rights of a particularly unpopular citizen, or deny him legal representation before a court of law, it would be a clear violation of liberal democratic principles to follow through on their desires.
The same can hardly be said of policies that restrict (or even shut down entirely) immigration. A liberal immigration regime is not a prerequisite of a democratic society, yet such a society is almost unimaginable without press freedom, judicial independence or representative government. If anything, it’s the failure of elites to recognize this distinction that may ultimately lead to the death of democracy.
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As long as it is not the end of the Republic I think we’ll be okay.
Ann Coulter has it right. Immigration is the only existential issue now. America as founded will disappear without people who believe in Western Civilization. Whites of European heritage have these ideals embedded in their culture. When they disappear, America disappears.
That’s the problem. Unlimited legal and illegal immigration will be the end of our republic. As I see it, we have three choices: (1) The fall of the United States as a constitutional republic, (2) restore the rule of law with strict legal immigration and near zero illegal “immigration”, or (3) a second civil war. I suspect we have to make our decision within one or at most two decades, or will will have chosen the first option, and it may already be too late.
(3) a second civil war.
Indeed so.
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As I see it, we have three choices: (1) The fall of the United States as a constitutional republic,
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I present a Library of Congress printing TOMES of ‘laws’ and ‘judicial decrees’, let alone buildings of grander and marble housing multitudes of those that would gladly\(il)legally eat out our sustenance, that point we have not been a Const. Republic in ages...
Point (1) should be the final unshackling of BIG govt: The Fall of Freedom.
We are in a “cold” civil war. The leftists are becoming more brazen and itching for a fight because the time is coming. We solve this Constitutionally and the people get their heads out of their ___ or we fight it out one bloody way or another.
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Undo Democracy now!
We don’t want any part of a Fox, a Coyote, and a Chicken voting on what’s for lunch!
We want our Representative Republic back.
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One can easily stuff $1 billion into a rich man’s stock brokerage account.
However, humans beings need housing, water and roads to get to work.
One can’t stuff one billion people into New York City.
In the 1940’s, Queens in New York City was half developed.
Nowadays, Long Island is full. Children move away simply because housing is priced out of reach.
In the 1960’s, California had a housing price premium of about 25%.
Nowadays, California has a housing price premium of over 100%.
Coastal areas have a better climate. That’s where the job creators prefer to live and create good jobs.
One might argue that we could build tall buildings as in Hong Kong, but that doesn’t solve the critical road overcrowding problem, just makes it worse.
It takes more than a good education to get a good job. It takes a housing unit to live and sleep in and roads to the office or hospital where the good job is.
Much of this is about the expectations of evil folk, who had sensed a triumph with Mrs. Clinton.
There are many aspects of this, but consider the one that has long gripped Western Academia, with a bogus "idealism." (Surrender By Subterfuge).
“we fight it out one bloody way or another.”
If there is going to be a civil war, I’d prefer that we melt down the US military’s tanks, howitzers, airplanes, machine guns, etc. beforehand.
The left is itching for a fight because it isn’t planning to do the fighting itself.
The unforgiving Trump haters are a clear example of the mindset. [What Drives The Trump Haters]
Amen!
“We solve this Constitutionally”
Yes, indeed.
SECTION 1. The federal government shall have the power to implement the Immigration Amnesty and Reform Act of 2018.
SECTION 2. Previous Congressional immigration amnesties are hereby made lawful.
SECTION 3. The first sentence of SECTION 1 of Amendment XIV is hereby repealed.
SECTION 4. Henceforth, every child born in the USA after ratification shall be born with the citizenship of their mother as of 320 days prior to birth.
SECTION 5. No person may be granted US citizenship unless the person is over age 22
and proves US residence in at least 54 of the prior 60 months and
lawful US earnings of at least $4,000 each quarter in at least 17 of the prior 20 quarters.
SECTION 6. No treaty may be entered into that would or could,
require US residency, naturalization, citizenship or welfare benefits to be granted,
restrict/bar deportation,
impair US entry security,
impose any form of international taxation within the United States,
require any contingent payment from any domestic person or entity, or
other than a treaty solely dealing with a domestic Indian tribe or intellectual property, remain in force in excess of ten years.
SECTION 7. No bill proposing an immigration/naturalization legal change and a federal expediture for any extraneous purpose may become law.
SECTION 8. Any state may require state/federal photo ID tender for state-related voting purposes, subject to appropriate federal statutory law.
SECTION 9. Every domestic government shall require proof of US citizenship & state/federal photo ID tender for governmental voting purposes after 2023, subject to appropriate federal statutory law.
SECTION 10. Federal employer/income taxation may be levied at no more than 120% of existing rates.
Federal employer/income taxation limits/rates/rate thresholds may be changed by no more than 1/20th in any year.
SECTION 11. A federal statutory financial imposition may only be levied/increased (under then existing law or) with the same day approval of at least two-thirds of the members of both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
SECTION 12. All amounts collected from Federal estate taxation shall be used to pay down the existing national debt and that distinctly refinanced, or refunded.
SECTION 13. There shall be no multi-state/federal wealth or property taxation except that estate taxation and real property taxation in what is now the District of Columbia.
SECTION 14. The federal government shall not issue loans or except, via limited liability corporations set up under federal law without recourse to the Treasury, guarantee debt other than of the general national debt.
SECTION 15. No person (or their spouse or child) may be elected or otherwise placed into a Constitutional office for a subsequent term while the national debt of the United States exceeds $25 trillion.
SECTION 16. The President shall have line item veto power.
SECTION 17. No sibling, child, grandchild or spouse of a President may hold the office of President or Vice President.
SECTION 18. Effective with the elections of November 2022, the House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every fourth year by qualified voters of the several states.
SECTION 19. Each Federal judge appointed after ratification shall have a term of office, of nine years, or a shorter period as Congress may set by law.
SECTION 20. The Supreme Court shall not have more than nine justices.
Economically, there is nothing going on in the USA, Switzerland, or Hong Kong that cannot be replicated in EVERY country in the world.
My advice to people who want to emigrate to the USA...
Stay home.
Fix your country.
Start today.
Re: A second civil war
Too costly - lives lost, generational hatreds, insane economic destruction.
I vote for a peaceful, publicly negotiated break up.
“The fall of the United States as a constitutional republic, ”
That’s been occurring for many decades, since the early 190’s and Wilson and the Fed. Then amendments. Then rule by judges and EO. Then (now) by brazen lawlessness by departments.
I believe, with the depth of the swamp and proggie actions we’re seeing now, only a physical war will save it.
The Democrat Party needs new voters, so they can have some power.
That would also be my preference, but I don't believe we will be permitted that option. Leftists like power, and they will demand that we obey. They will not accept a peaceful separation, not when they think the offices they might eventually control give them the ability to compel obedience. I hope we can avoid civil war, but I'm not counting on them to give any consideration to our rights, neither natural rights nor constitutional rights.
Democracy is ALWAYS self destructive as it turns into rewarding those who vote for those who win elections. In the case of most Western countries, it means socialism.
Socialism is for losers.
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