Posted on 03/10/2018 7:42:12 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Gov. Rick Scott signed into law Friday a bill imposing restrictions on gun sales and arming some teachers and school employees, a stark reversal of a two-decade push to ease gun regulations in Florida.
The National Rifle Association filed a lawsuit against the new law in federal court almost immediately after it was signed, contending the bill’s ban on gun sales to those under 21 was a violation of the Second Amendment.
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They wanted to ban all handguns as I recall. I didn’t happen thanks to the NRA.
I’m talking about Florida’s Constitution: The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, however the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.
I hate to be a glass half full kind of guy but this is going to affect MAGA from here out. The Republicans have surrendered the state of Florida. Ask how that's going to help in 2020?
I'm glad the NRA is suing but the battle is lost. Removing laws from the books is always a long long shot.
The NRA needs to start actually aggressively attacking the real source of gun control and that is the NFA. ALL gun control stems from the GCA of 34 and 68. The NRA and all 2nd amendment supporters need to understand the amendment was written to provide the people with the same or greater force of arms that could be used against them by the central government. That means MACHINE GUNS. The American people should be allowed to possess the same weapons any federal agent would possess but that is not the case. The 2nd amendment was repealed in 1934 and what remains is a system where the government decides what arms the American people will have and decides whether they will grant permission and to whom. That folks is not the intent of the framers. If you are not an NRA member join, if you are contact the NRA and advise it's time to quit playing defense, go on the offensive and attack the NFA gun control laws.
“Where was the NRA in 1968?”
Backing the 1968 gun bill. It was dead before those jerks got involved. The NRA has been behind every single major gun control legislation including the 1934 NFA and the 1968 GCA.
Here is their 1968 National Rifleman article bragging about it all.
WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION
97-year record shows positive approach to workable gun laws
By ALAN C. WEBBER
Associate Editor
THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN
“I think it is a terrible indictment of the National Rifle Association that they haven’t supported any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country.”
That flat assertion was made by Senator Robert Kennedy (N.Y.), Jan. 16 in addressing the New York State University law school in Buffalo.
Terming Kennedy’s accusation “a smear of a great American organization,” NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth pointed out that “The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871.”
A few days later, Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.
“The duty of Congress is clear,” Orth said, “it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails.”
The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.
Here is the record over the years:
Item: The late Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.
Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the “mail order murder” to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.
Item: The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.
Item: The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.
More recently, the spate of articles on gun legislation has spread the erroneous impression that the NRA has always opposed Senator Thomas J. Dodd’s attempts to keep guns out of the hands of juveniles. This is simply untrue. The facts are these:
The NRA worked closely with the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, of which Senator Dodd was chairman, in its investigation into the relationship between juvenile crime and the availability of firearms.
The NRA supported the original “Dodd Bill” to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.
In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.
The parting of the ways came only when Senator Dodd introduced still another bill (S.1592) in March, 1965, which drastically intensified his earlier bills. The NRA opposed S.1592 and subsequent bills introduced by the Connecticut Senator. If passed into law, S.1592 would, among other things, have ended all interstate shipments of firearms except to persons holding a Federal firearms license. It also would have prohibited even a Federal licensee from selling a pistol to anyone residing in another State.
NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts. The essential provisions which the NRA supports are contained in 2 Senate bills introduced by Senator Roman L. Hruska (Nebr.) and House bills introduced by Congressmen Cecil R. King (17th fist.-Calif.) and Robert L. F. Sikes (1st Dist.Fla.). These bills would:
1. Impose a mandatory penalty for the carrying or use of a firearm, transported in interstate or foreign commerce, during the commission of certain crimes.
2. Place “destructive devices” (bombs, mines, grenades, crew-served military ordnance) under Federal regulation.
3. Prohibit any licensed manufacturer or dealer from shipping any firearm to any person in any State in violation of the laws of that state.
4. Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:
a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;
b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;
c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;
d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;
e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;
f. increasing penalties for violation.
Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:
“A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. ... The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State.”
The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.
When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:
NRA Secretary Daniel
“The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction—that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois.”
The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.
Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s “terrible indictment” of the NRA is groundless.
age is a regulation....
The NRA at least got what was a local LEO veto of NFA transfers changed from a sign off to a notice requirement.
The manner of bearing has nothing to do with purchasing or owning a firearm.
And, it is!
True there have been some small victories but we are losing the battle big time.
We need to truly educate the public. We need to ask the question of the public, why do dozens of federal agencies and the police have machine guns but the American people do not? The 2nd amendment exists because the framers knew we could not maintain freedom if the balance of power provided by arms did not remain with the people. The GCA of 34 and 68 permanently tipped that balance of power to the central government and it will only get worse as new technology becomes available. If there is a need for agents of the federal government and the police to possess full automatic weapons then there is and equal need for the American People to possess them. If that balance of power is not restored by repealing the GCA of 34 and 68 then the end result will by tyranny. It's only a matter of time.
It was still a shooting club in 1968, unfortunately. And according to Wikipedia, the supported some aspects of GCA 1968, and opposed some elements of it. They had a “revolt” against the leadership in 1974 at their convention in Cincinnati in which they decided to start lobbying aggressively for rights, rather than just being a shooting club.
No sir. The answer was plain and simple VETO. The end. There was nothing hard about it. VETO the bill and hear some whining and moaning from the left for a few days and that's it, move on. Elections have consequences but apparently only when democrats win them.
As far as the NRA defeating this in court well I support it but even if successful it will take a long long time. In the interim we will only face a more gun control from and very emboldened left.
This was a huge defeat that is going to effect Republicans for years to come.
to bear arms is the same as to own arms....
Just another POS political hack willing to sell-out for personal gain.
What about 1st or 4th Amendment rights? Is there an age for that?
Kudos to all of you who haven’t given up the fight. Scott is a human being who signed a very flawed bill into law. I haven’t abandoned him of the fight for 2A.
You folks who are insisting the war is lost, I just want to say I am glad y’all weren’t around during WWII.
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