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Afghanistan war veteran pens scathing open letter blasting new Australian Army chief...
Daily Mail (Australia/UK) ^ | 23rd April 2018 | Adam McCleery

Posted on 04/23/2018 5:02:17 PM PDT by naturalman1975

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Full headline: Afghanistan war veteran pens scathing open letter blasting new Australian Army chief for 'farcical' ban on soldiers using 'offensive death symbols' like the skull mask
1 posted on 04/23/2018 5:02:17 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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2 posted on 04/23/2018 5:11:40 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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One possibility is for Platoon Sergeant Justin Huggett to challenge Lieutenant General Angus John Campbell to a duel. Knives, carbines, fists, whatever.

How else does one confront a general who wants to eradicate your unit’s symbols? Personally, I think the general sounds like a bought-and-paid-for NWO weenie.

What’s your opinion, naturalman1975?


3 posted on 04/23/2018 5:16:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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Good to see some push back to the left wing retardation among the higher ranks.


4 posted on 04/23/2018 5:20:40 PM PDT by Amberdawn (If Leftists Didn't Live By Double Standards, They'd Have No Standards At All.)
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Snowflakery has now infiltrated the Australian high command. Like us they too have their politically correct perfumed princes. Not the same blokes who decimated the Japs in Burma & New Guinea or fought alongside us in Vietnam.


5 posted on 04/23/2018 5:25:56 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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I’m a retired officer of the Royal Australian Navy and... to some extent, I’d prefer to stay out of this argument :)

I think I understand where the General is coming from. At times I have seen some death iconography being used far more casually than I think is appropriate.

But I think the General’s approach is way too heavy handed. This is not something that should be being addressed so formally at Chief of Army, or Chief of Defence Force level. A much more quiet and subtle directive could have been allowed to filter down.

I also think he should have at the very least made it clear that he was not talking about traditional symbolism that has been used for a long time and has been in some cases incorporated into official or semi-official badges and devices.


6 posted on 04/23/2018 5:44:47 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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The General would have fit nicely into Obama’s American military. Social experiments first, war fighting capability later, maybe.


7 posted on 04/23/2018 5:48:44 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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8 posted on 04/23/2018 5:49:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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“Like us they too have their politically correct perfumed princes. Not the same blokes who decimated the Japs in Burma & New Guinea or fought alongside us in Vietnam.”

I hear you, elcid1970. Don’t know about the Aussies in 2018, but they were very good back in 1970. I’m not about to criticize the Aussie troops, so let’s wait for naturalman1975’s opinion.


9 posted on 04/23/2018 5:50:27 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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10 posted on 04/23/2018 5:52:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: naturalman1975

Well done Sergeant Huggett!


11 posted on 04/23/2018 5:54:20 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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I agree with this. Our own military has been overrun with death cult icons like skulls, etc.
In saner times, American military units had lots of Americana such as native American symbols on patches, or emblems having to do with geographic locations.

A list worth scrolling through. Aircraft had sexy women and fun art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_insignia_of_the_United_States_Army

Now you can find unit emblems with grim reapers, death skulls, etc. And we aren’t talking from a murderous society like the USSR or nazi germany.
This kid is dead wrong when he says the Army should not reflect the society from which it comes. That is precisely the thing it should do. Not a thing wrong with reminding everyone that we are the good guys.


12 posted on 04/23/2018 6:07:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Avenger, Dauntless, Hellcat, Wildcat, Tigercat, Mustang, Thunderbolt, Lightning, Kittyhawk, Tomahawk, Devastator, Mitchell, Marauder, Flying Fortress, Super Fortress, Liberator, Ozark Division, Timberwolf Division, Iroquois, Screaming Eagles, All American, Rail Splitters, Thunderbird Division, Dixie Division, Arrowhead Division, Yankee Division, New York Division, Keystone Division, Old Reliables Division, Big Red One Division, Indianhead Division.

Saner times... But this generation prefers the satanic crap.


13 posted on 04/23/2018 6:18:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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“I’d prefer to stay out of this argument :)”

You’ve jumped into the conversation here with both feet. That’s good, and I appreciate your input because you give us a down under picture into Australian military culture.

Australian troops’ forbearance and tenacity touches my family going back to New Guinea during WW II where my uncle fought.

Carry on, naturalman1975.


14 posted on 04/23/2018 6:22:26 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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"In saner times, American military units had lots of Americana such as native American symbols on patches, or emblems having to do with geographic locations. "

For the record I never served, myself, so my opinion is just that, JMHO and not much more. On one hand I'd never be one to spoil the lads having a bit of fun with their insignia.

That said, now that you mention it here's the baddest insignia ever worn by any division in any Army, ever:

From native American lore, the Thunderbird, worn by the 45th Infantry Division, more recently the 45th Infantry Brigade.

The discerning reader is invited to look it up...

15 posted on 04/23/2018 6:57:19 PM PDT by OKSooner
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Dang it html...

Anyway thanks for your link; see "Thunderbird".

http://www.native-languages.org/thunderbird.htm

16 posted on 04/23/2018 7:01:01 PM PDT by OKSooner
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Looking at the article it had a photo of the “skull mask”. It’s literally a balaclava type mask with the face of a skull on it.
This is more in tune with the SS than the traditions of the Australian and Commonwealth militaries.

Someone needs to remind this good sgt of exactly who he is and what he represents. It isn’t Hells Angels out on a weekend run. Time to look like a soldier, not a sociopath. The violence of war is very seductive to young men.
They either wallow in it and become worse for it, or the discipline and historic traditions of their military help to keep them on the rails.

And he needs a shave.


17 posted on 04/23/2018 7:04:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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That Thunderbird indeed was a good patch.

I’ll put on my geezer hat, but I think these kids need to be steered away from the satanic and death cult crap. The Nazi SS skulls shocked people back then for a reason. What kind of people would wear a skull and crossbones on their hat and collars? That’s what people thought.

And again, war makes young people wallow in death and misery. They need to constantly be jerked back into the “we are Americans” thinking.


18 posted on 04/23/2018 7:14:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Your point is well made. I happen to agree with it, however I need to defer to your POV because I never did serve - it's not my place to tell the youngsters how to suit up because I didn't do so myself.

However I do have a personal affinity for the Thunderbird...

19 posted on 04/23/2018 7:21:42 PM PDT by OKSooner
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Well, not to be trite, but they are YOUR army.


20 posted on 04/23/2018 7:27:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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