Posted on 04/27/2018 3:57:46 AM PDT by Prov1322
I admit, my reaction to the plight of young Alfie Evans is colored by my experience with my own grandson, Joseph, who suffers from a similar disorder.
I see Joseph's innocence in Alfie's eyes, and I struggle with the marked physical resemblance between Alfie and Joseph at that age. I also vividly recall the doctors counseling my daughter to abort her pregnancy, to save her child from suffering.
"He will likely live 18 months, certainly no more than three years," they told us solemnly. Joseph celebrated his 17th birthday in February of this year.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Some have argued that the NHS is equivalent to the state religion.
Alfie is being murdered by the NHS which is why we should NOT have Obamacare here...
In this dreadfully sad case, it is not the parents to blame, nor the doctors, nor the nurses, nor the courts. - The disease is to blame for taking this childs life...
His fingers and eyes are darkening because he is slowly suffocating-not getting enough oxygen because his ventilator was taken away. This is otherwise known as turning blue. It has nothing to do with his ,"being there".
It is highly offensive that you are deliberately trying to deceive people with your comment.
But anyway, Alfie's dead now. You can go celebrate. Crack open a cold one and toast that another disabled child has been removed from our world by the proper authorities.
Call it what you will...I’m very grateful Alfies no longer suffering and safely in the arms of the Lord.
Now lets hope that we in this nation have the same outcry and protests against the butcher shops here, where babies are violently murdered, chopped up like meat, and sold to the highest bidder.
If you think what was done to Alfie and his parents is ok you are heartless.
I recognized, via the reports etc. from the beginning that Alfie was not going to live long. It’s a serious shameful thing when people fail to read or even look at reports and just jump on the band wagon of an emotionally charged media pushed event.
British laws are what they are because the people obviously saw no reason to protest when they were being passed, anymore than this nations people allowed murdering our babies and butchering their bodies for resale passed.
Europe has chosen socialized medicine and the laws that govern it. What did they expect? Government will always look at the bottom line....revenue in and out.
Here in the states as well as abroad,... The ‘sanctity of life’ does not exist in Government any more. Too late....that horse left the stable long ago ....and all the protests are not going to change the ‘power’ handed over to Government.
Further Italy never said they could offer the child new “treatment”....there is none.... and they never claimed to have that treatment.
It's never been about the costs.....it's about a once dying child with no hope for recovery. From 6 weeks til recently he had no chance of recovery.
Further the hospital he was in is top of the line in nonsurgical and neurological care..with many outside Dr.s chiming in that he had no hope of recovery. I can justify the death now of this child in that He is where he was intended to be since this disease began destroying his brain.....in the arms of the Lord.
Since you are NOT one of the doctors that have examined him I take your “knowledge” of the situation with a grain of salt. If there was “no hope” then what would be the problem with the child being transferred to another hospital for other opinions? Why hold Alfie hostage? Who is the “owner” of the child - the State or the parents? Obviously the government of Britain believes that they are the legal guardian and allowed to make all decisions for Alfie. The sad thing is that you agree with the State. Shame on you! I, however, believe that I “own” my son and make the decisions for him.
All you had to do was watch that disgusting 2012 Olympics Opening Ceremony to know that.
I have never once said I agree with the state's laws.......but like so often happens in these cases it's either you're with the parents or with the hospital....which is why the British 'public' did opt for their laws that the courts would indeed decide in rare and unusual cases..and this based on the medical records from both sides of the equations from the beginning of the health issue to the current condition of the patient. That is THEIR LAW.. So based on their law and the medical records etc. the court opted for what they saw as necessary for the child's well being overall.
From my own perspective of the records etc. etc. etc it should have never gone this far. At 6 weeks old they had the prognosis clearly and he only got worse with every passing weeks suspected......and the parents were well aware THEN their child would not survive and understood why that was..
So just take your insults somewhere else....the only thing that took this childs life is the brain disease that he suffered with early on that has no cure.
....”I believe that I “own” my son and make the decisions for him.”.....
Parents do not own their children but are indeed their guardians until of age... Guardians are individuals who make decisions for the child—in the child’s best interest—until the child’s mind is developed enough so that the child can make decisions for himself......though that of course depends upon where you live...
....Some parents, for whatever reason, sell their kids....others beat and abuse their kids....still others dis-own as if not responsible at all. Others create the monsters they grow into or never give their kid a chance by taking them to a butcher clinic and have their body parts sold to the highest bidder.
Liar! I guess you didn't bother to actually read this article before posting!
In Britain's socialized medical system, second opinions are typically given by other NHS physicians, chosen not by the parents or the patient, but by the attending physician who gave the first opinion. Unsurprisingly, second opinions in the NHS rarely overturn the first. In this case, however, Alfie's parents were able to force the hospital to release records for outside review.Unsurprisingly, Alder Hey's prognosis has not been by outside medical professionals. Indeed, numerous outside experts vehemently disagree with Alder Hey's conclusions.
Obvious you didn’t read ‘the medical reports’.......I take “news” reports on this case with a grain of salt at best.
Here are just a couple and the list goes on.......
Dr Martin Samuels...(Consultant Respiratory Paediatrician)
Senior Clinical Team at the Ospedale
Pediatrico, Bambino Gesu (BG) (Rome)
Dr Matthias Hubner, Medical Director,
Pediatric Air Ambulance,..... Amtsgericht Munchen Professor Nikolaus Haas, Medical
Director, Department of Paediatric Cardiology and Intensive Care, University
Hospital Ludwig-Maximilians university (LMU) Munich.
Adding.....That ‘all’ the doctors who had ‘examined’ Alfie, ‘including’ those from overseas, agreed that his illness was untreatable, and that, very sadly, he was in ‘the end stage’ of his illness.
Further I resent commentators who suggested that doctors/medical staff were killing Alfie, or wanted him to die..... Nothing could be further from the truth.. The health professionals who had been caring for Alfie have dedicated their lives to the medical care of very sick children..and well known to be the best....
Additionally Palliative care is not about ending life. It is about providing supportive, compassionate, dedicated care to children and adults ‘at the end of their life’...
The clinicians, the NHS, the government and the judiciary have been painted as the vile and heartless enemy. Facts and motives were twisted to suit the aim, which was to put unbearable pressure on the hospital and its clinicians, until they crack.
It is ugly and distressing for the many victims of these tactics, but it kept Alfie in the front pages and captured the attention and support of high profile figures and governments. There is a ‘real risk’ that these guerrilla tactics will become the norm in ‘best interest’ cases involving children, which would be disastrous.”
The case arose under the jurisdiction of the Family Court to ‘make a decision on behalf of Alfie, as his parents and the healthcare professionals ‘could not’ reach an agreement after ‘16 months’ in hospital with zero improvement and in fact further progression of the natural course of his brain disease....he was dying.
Although the court is not bound to follow the clinical assessment of the doctors, its assessment of the child’s best interests must be based on ‘all the medical evidence’.. it was an ‘indisputable fact’ that Alfie’s brain had been ‘devastated’ by progressive degeneration......his brain was entirely beyond recovery.
“MRI scans confirmed a ‘rapidly progressive destructive brain disease’.
“Professor Judith Cross (the Prince of Wales’ Chair of Childhood Epilepsy at UCL – Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health and also Honorary Consultant in Paediatric Neurology) reviewed Alfie at the PICU on 15 June 2017. .... Professor Cross concluded that Alfie has a progressive, ultimately fatal neurodegenerative condition, most likely a mitochondrial disorder and that... “even if it were possible to stop Alfie’s seizures, which did not look likely given his poor response to anti-convulsant treatment to date, his brain is entirely beyond recovery.
In English law, any decision made with regard to a child’s upbringing, the child’s welfare shall be the court’s paramount consideration (Children Act 1989). Where there is a dispute between the healthcare professionals and parents regarding treatment for a child such as Alfie, who lacks capacity, this is governed by whether treatment is in their “best interests” – this is the paramount principle in such cases.
“Similarly, in the Charlie Gard case, McFarlane LJ elaborated on the paramountcy principle in medical cases. The consideration of an individual child’s best interests “must apply even to cases where parents, for the best of motives, hold on to some alternative view”
Continued here....
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-latest-on-alfie-evans/
That you go to such limits to defend this medical murder says all I need to know about you. I done - have no interest in interacting with someone like you who defends the indefensible. That you’re on a conservative forum posting like this baffles me. You’d be more at home over at DU where you’d be in your element defending this governmental disgusting behavior.
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