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How 16 ships create as much pollution as all the cars in the world
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Posted on 05/23/2018 11:45:07 AM PDT by rey

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To: varyouga

“The cost of nuclear maintenance would be far too much for any shipping company.”

Possibly not so. The primary nuclear costs are one time, and yes with SOME higher operational costs, but with long periods before any “refueling”. If those costs are amortized over all the years oil would have had to be purchased - with the generally over time increasing cost of oil - the total costs may not be that much greater in the long run.


61 posted on 05/24/2018 6:05:31 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: varyouga

As far as pirates and terrorists, try as they might it is most likely they would not get what they were after.

https://atomicinsights.com/proving-a-negative-why-modern-used-nuclear-fuel-cannot-be-used-to-make-a-weapon/


62 posted on 05/24/2018 6:09:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: the_daug

Maybe one day, we’ll see thousands of these beauties all across the globe!.....................ONLY BIGGER!...................


63 posted on 05/24/2018 6:11:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Remember all the great work Obama did for the black community?.............. Me neither.)
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To: rey

More fuel for the “build local, buy local” crowd.

/pun not intended, but funny, anyway.


64 posted on 05/24/2018 7:20:18 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: Wuli

“some” higher operation costs? Most heavy labor on freighters is by 3rd world workers who make less than our minimum wage. They are treated like dogs because consequences outside the ship with diesel engines are minimal.

Reactors need far more qualified, far more expensive and far more rested personnel to be on duty at all times. The ancillary systems needed for a reactor have similar breakdown rates as diesel except the consequences of a breakdown are catastrophic That is why they must be constantly cleaned and worked on like white-glove boutique items. AND every system is multiplied for redundancy so it further multiplies the already expensive labor. You can’t get away with faulty work or temporary measures in a reactor like you can with diesel.

Just because you can’t build a fission device with the nuclear fuel, doesn’t mean you cant make a dirty bomb or force the reactor to meltdown once it is near a target. Not only do you need security for outside pirates but also intense watch for inside sobatuers. Plenty of medicated suicidal wackos out there are willing to kill as many people as they can. We dont even leave pilots alone in the cockpit these days and meltdown in a major port city would be many magnitudes worse.


65 posted on 05/24/2018 7:41:37 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

“The ancillary systems needed for a reactor have similar breakdown rates as diesel except the consequences of a breakdown are catastrophic.”

Those are ancillary systems as you admit - ancillary, and thus their breakdown rate it not likely to be higher. And our military navies have already years of experience on how such ancillary system breakdowns are handled, safely, on our nuclear powered fleets - for which quite obviously there is not a history of “catastrophic” disasters.


66 posted on 05/24/2018 8:30:58 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: varyouga

I have agreed there is more one time costs for the nuclear unit, as well as higher paid human resources, but without doing any math that still includes the possibility that those costs, over the long term, may be collectively higher than the ever and ongoing constant refueling costs of the diesel powered ship.

As far as the pirates, I know what our military thinks (and has plans for) in such an instance, and how adaptable those plans are in a commercial case, but on the knowledge that loose lips sink ships, I’ll let you do your own research to find there are solutions to your concern.


67 posted on 05/24/2018 8:39:15 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: rey

Total fantasy article

Bunker C is basically asphalt liquified and burned

It does release a lot of sulfur

These engines can be convert to diesel number three

Costs wil go up

Ban volcanos


68 posted on 05/24/2018 8:45:45 AM PDT by wardaddy (ItÂ’s coming undone)
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To: varyouga

“You cannot turn off Windows 10 updates completely or permanently. “

Yes you can. Just read what I said. I have been denying Win 10 to run any updates for nearly a year now. Yes, it is not “disabling” anything. It just forces windows to ask if it is OK to run the update (because you have your Internet connection set to metered). No it does not stop Win 10 from asking, again and again (as often as i explained it will), but each time you just decline the update. It does work, no matter what Micrsosoft says, and my un-updated Win 10 machines has no problems getting to and using the Internet. That’s a fairy tale that Microsoft can monitor who is reaching the Internet with a Win 10 machine that has not been updated, and stop it’s Internet access.


69 posted on 05/24/2018 9:20:54 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

The systems are basic mechanics and break down all the time. Motors, pumps, valves, pipes, etc. They are present and similar in every type of ship engine. Piston, turbine, nuclear.

The difference with nuclear is you can’t have any of the components fail for even a few minutes without absolutely having a redundant backup in place to go online immediately. Redundancy and mission-critical systems multiply the cost of everything in a plant.

There may be a point where is becomes profitable if fuel is extremely expensive but the safety concerns are such that it will likely never be allowed. The government allows private stationary plants but with extreme oversight and multiple extensive security perimeters in reasonably remote areas. Such a thing is not possible on a freighter that travels to major ports around the globe. Only on military vessels with capability to fight back against a military attack is it safe.

There are some inherently safe reactor designs that I am hopeful for but they are still prohibitively expensive and inneficient for private industry.


70 posted on 05/24/2018 9:23:12 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: rey
As ships get bigger, the pollution is getting worse. The most staggering statistic of all is that just 16 of the world’s largest ships can produce as much lung-clogging sulphur pollution as all the world’s cars.

My lungs aren't clogged. Are your lungs clogged?

I've lived by the ocean all my life by some of the busiest seaports in the world.

This article is such hysterical tripe.

71 posted on 05/24/2018 9:26:58 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: varyouga

“You cannot turn off Windows 10 updates completely or permanently. “

Yes you can. Just read what I said. I have been denying Win 10 to run any updates for nearly a year now. Yes, it is not “disabling” anything. It just forces windows to ask if it is OK to run the update (because you have your Internet connection set to metered). No it does not stop Win 10 from asking, again and again (as often as i explained it will), but each time you just decline the update. It does work, no matter what Micrsosoft says, and my un-updated Win 10 machines has no problems getting to and using the Internet. That’s a fairy tale that Microsoft can monitor who is reaching the Internet with a Win 10 machine that has not been updated, and stop it’s Internet access.


72 posted on 05/24/2018 9:28:07 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: varyouga

All “problems” are opportunities waiting solutions and usually when humans put our will to solving them we can. I have confidence that one day we will end debates over carbon, because most of the world will be powered by nuclear in one fashion or another, directly or indirectly.


73 posted on 05/24/2018 9:32:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: rey

Liberals hate math.


74 posted on 05/24/2018 9:32:26 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (...the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light...)
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To: varyouga
Only on military vessels with capability to fight back against a military attack is it safe.

I agree with most of your post, but when it comes to military ships, I think that it's more of a calculated risk, given that such ships' ultimate intent is to, if necessary, go into harms' way. Of course, the idea is also that "harms' way" not be right on the US coastline!

75 posted on 05/24/2018 11:59:26 AM PDT by Paul R.
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To: Don W

The industry is going to low sulfur fuel oil.


76 posted on 05/24/2018 7:03:36 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

We had a ship run aground, some years back. Feds burned it in place. It split into two pieces.


77 posted on 05/25/2018 9:36:08 AM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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