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Letter: High court ruling on flag burning may quiet anthem uproar
The Mercury News ^ | June 17, 2018 | Ronald Entwistle

Posted on 06/17/2018 9:17:15 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000

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To: TaxPayer2000

Justice Antonin Scalia ? Is he still voting? I thought he was dead.

Didn’t his pillow jump off the bed, onto his face, and smother him?


21 posted on 06/17/2018 9:40:34 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: TaxPayer2000
Exactly.

While the courts have said you can burn the flag IIRC they also said a private business has a right to set and enforce workplace rules.

The NFL had a rule: no political protests and no political messages.

All they had to do was enforce that rule.

But they didn't. They caved to the demands of the mob and now the mob is running the business and destroying it.

22 posted on 06/17/2018 9:42:59 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: TaxPayer2000

No thinking person has questioned the right of anyone else to take a knee during the national anthem. What we have done is to question their wisdom, their patriotism and their morality. Additionally, since at least the football players doing so are employees of the various football teams, they can be forced by their teams to stand respectfully during the national anthem as a condition of employment. If the teams refuse to force the players to do that, in the same way that they force them to wear the same uniform on the field, then we can be fully justified in boycotting the teams. Ditto for the NFL as a whole.

This isn’t about rights. This is about being grateful for all the good things that this nation provides, despite some of the manifest imperfections in our nation. The only thing we have going for us is our unity - and the people pushing four players to kneel I know this very well. They are interested in destroying the unity of this country. Therefore, in my view, they are interested in destroying this country. Again, it is not about right, it is about the very basis of this nation’s existence.


23 posted on 06/17/2018 9:46:27 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be f Vanceree." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Here is a word for you, urinalist .... “relevance”.

Your article has ZERO relevance to the NFL kneeling protests.

Go find a PUBLIC sidewalk somewhere and kneel all you want. Just not too long or you will be arrested for loitering.


24 posted on 06/17/2018 9:47:53 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: TaxPayer2000

From article:

“Those in uproar over anthem should know about high court ruling on flag burning”

In other words, when the high court rules in favor of same sex marriage, I am somehow obligated embrace the new truth?

The kneelers have a right of protest and dissent and the court must obligate all the rest of us to comply?


25 posted on 06/17/2018 9:52:38 AM PDT by odawg
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To: TaxPayer2000
I haven't heard a single person suggest that what those multi-millionaire punks did was even slightly illegal.Those who've reacted negatively are motivated by the repugnant nature of their acts and/or because it was done on the playing field rather than on their own time.
26 posted on 06/17/2018 9:53:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (You Say "White Privilege"...I Say "Protestant Work Ethic")
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To: TaxPayer2000

They still banned cross burning though, if it was meant to intimidate. All flag burning is A-OK though.


27 posted on 06/17/2018 9:55:10 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: TaxPayer2000
The author does not seem to understand that the NFL is not the government.

Nor does he understand that the public also has the right to be outraged over what it finds to offensive acts and to speak out or act out, as in boycotts or speech, against those committing the offensive acts.

The author is just another apologist for these fools, probably because he thinks the same as them.

28 posted on 06/17/2018 10:01:48 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: TaxPayer2000
Rather than condemn the athletes kneeling during our nation’s song, we should celebrate the absolute right to that discordant idea.

An absolute right? They have NO "right" to do it at all - they are in the workplace and the opening ceremonies of a game are part of the product being offered to the customers of that product. Them being able to do so was privilege, not a right, which the NFL could prohibit, just like the NBA and other organizations do in their workplaces.

This is ridiculous. Not liking something being made part of a product of something you don't like - this writer somehow finds an equivalence to a law passed by government being deemed unconstitutional?

29 posted on 06/17/2018 10:02:22 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: TaxPayer2000

This Court ruling has nothing to do with the NFL or the people not supporting a bunch of athletes trying to ruin the sport of football. It is a ruling on what the Government can or can not do. Neither the NFL or we the people are the “Government”. If we chose to not spend our dollars if these athletes keep screwing around that is our business and has nothing to do with the courts!


30 posted on 06/17/2018 10:06:09 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: TaxPayer2000
"The author does not seem to understand that the NFL is not the government."

True. And the author would probably support both government and private business for firing employees for saying things offensive to the left, such as expressions of "homophobia" or "Islamophobia," even when such things are said on the employee's own time.
31 posted on 06/17/2018 10:14:18 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: TaxPayer2000

No kidding. Liberal thought is not very logical.


32 posted on 06/17/2018 10:15:11 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Spok
"Free speech is constitutionally protected only from government action."

And originally, this prohibition only applied to Congress, not state and municipal governments, or public school systems.
33 posted on 06/17/2018 10:16:30 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Republican Wildcat
" . . . we should celebrate the absolute right to that discordant idea."

Where was the author when Roseanne Barr was fired for her "discordant idea"?
34 posted on 06/17/2018 10:18:24 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: PghBaldy
"They still banned cross burning though, if it was meant to intimidate."

Leftists are always prancing around in their "clenched-fist" t-shirts, so I suppose some intimidation is more equal than others.
35 posted on 06/17/2018 10:22:33 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: odawg

Holy cr@p, burning a flag is a physical act resulting in its destruction; why is it speech?

Someone can hold up a sign saying “The U.S. Flag is a symbol of racism, sexism, islamophobia etc etc” all day long. That’s freedom of expression. It doesn’t destroy anything.


36 posted on 06/17/2018 10:27:50 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: TaxPayer2000
The Supreme Court ruled that the government can’t ‘prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive.’

Then how can California pass a law forbidding counselors from from converting homosexuals to normal, functioning human beings? How can calling a fag a "fag" be construed as "hate speech?" How can telling a muslime to go back to his goat-shed be constrained? How can pro-live advocates be barred from telling potential victims about the horrors of abortion?

As long as the ideas being expressed are only offensive to white males, apparently they ARE protected. Not so much in reverse.

And don't even get me started on college campuses ...

37 posted on 06/17/2018 10:33:36 AM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: TaxPayer2000

To Knee..
Or Not to Knee.

That is the Question.


38 posted on 06/17/2018 10:47:57 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: lastchance
"That is the first thing I noticed too. The NFL is an employer who may make rules of conduct for their employees while employees are on the job."

Right on the mark. Obviously Mr Estwistle, if that is his real name, is confused about the authority of the government vs employer rights. While on your own property or away from work you may certainly voice your opinion about police oppression (I think that was their original excuse?) but while on your employer's time you have a responsibility to adhere to their wishes as to speech and behavior.

And the writer has a pretty strange notion about deceased Justice Scalia. He was a staunch defender of the constitution and not a fan of judges creating new law from the bench. It doesn't surprise me in the least that he would defend the 1st Amendment right of free speech in that 1989 decision. Some folks like the opinion writer automatically associate defending the Constitution as a conservative idea, which in truth it is. Liberals wish to expand their freedom of speech and limit the right to speech by those who disagree with them. That is contrary to the Constitution and liberals all seem to choose that means of limiting contrary free speech.

39 posted on 06/17/2018 10:48:27 AM PDT by Sa-teef
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To: Big Red Badger

Let’s see, I think I will go to my work tomorrow and burn a flag. Will I have a job on Tuesday???


40 posted on 06/17/2018 11:04:45 AM PDT by taterjay
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