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After the IG Report, Let’s Kill the FBI While We Can
reason.com ^ | June 19, 2018 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 06/21/2018 12:15:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments

But now the FBI has managed to anger both major political parties and much of the country. It's demonstrated its capacity for political meddling and misuse of power—even if people disagree on who was on the receiving end.

That offers a rare opportunity to pull the plug on a dangerously powerful agency at a moment when its potential for bias, arrogance, insubordination, and plain incompetence are on public display. Let's kill the FBI while we can.

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To: central_va

“Just get rid of the FBI and block grant the money back to the states. Let them deal with interstate crime in their own way.”

It sure beats the idea of turning the Deparment of Education, the EPA, the IRS, SSA, etc., into a bunch of mini-FBIs, complete with their own SWAT teams.


21 posted on 06/21/2018 2:15:21 AM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Ken H

Listen, I’m in complete agreement that the Fed Monster is way too big. Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy tooooooooo Big.

But, each bureaucracy has to have their own enforcement arm or you get the FBI. A behemoth agency, that is a one stop shop, that isn’t really good at anything, other than messing things up and covering up their own mistakes, crimes and indiscretions.

As for the agents enforcing bureaucratic BS, totally agree. But that is up to us, to elect Rep’s that will not allow the agencies to make up their own rules. Congress, long ago, punted that responsibility to the agencies. Especially, ones like IRS, EPA and BLM(which isn’t a real agency anyway).

Except for the Counter Terrorism-International stuff, pretty much every investigation can be handled on the local level. I would have absolutely no issues, whatsoever, of all of them downsizing. But, take the DEA for example, there’s only around 3000 of them. Most of what they do is done by putting together a task force, with local departments. In Atlanta, I know they have two different ones: HIDTA and the DEA Task Force. Only a handful of DEA agents on either, the rest of the slots are filled with local police and sheriff’s.

But, the FBI has something like 16,000 folks. And most of what they do is already being done by other agencies. They have agents that do narcotics work. So, do we need the DEA or do we need FBI guys doing narcotics work. They have a unit that goes after fugitives. Do we need the US Marshals or FBI guys going after fugitives. We have FBI guys going after financial crimes cases and tax fraud cases. Do we need IRS & Treasury agents or FBI guys going after financial criminals. Too much redundancy and folks looking for work to justify their budgets and positions. DEA was born out of the FBI. And there have been whispers to reel it back into the FBI, fold to get control of it again and get their hands on that budget.

Don’t even get me started on BLM and EPA. EPA I can almost justify, but definitely not in the size and authority they’ve illegally been granted. They should be there in nothing more than a support role, to assist local and state agencies.

Think about this, especially now that we’re starting to have serious conversation about immigration. FBI says that they have active terror investigations in, pretty much, all 57 states. I’ll go out on a limb and say that a sizeable number of those being watched are recent occupants of the USA. If they have that many investigations and they know who these people are, why are these people still in the country? Why haven’t they been rounded up and sent back to where they came? I don’t care if the have some bogus, Birthright citizenship, because their mother is a refugee from Somalia. They gave up that citizenship or privilege to be here the second they even joked about jihad.


22 posted on 06/21/2018 2:43:26 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123
Maybe I was just lucky

No, I think the majority has always been, and still are good people. Like any group there are going to be bad apples among them.

23 posted on 06/21/2018 2:48:13 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

But, as in every facet of life, that we all live in now, the good ones do not rise to levels where they can make a difference. They decide between years 5-10, that they’re just gonna ride it out, do their jobs and make it to retirement. Some might make Group Supervisor maybe ASAC, in some cases, but that’s the ceiling for the good ones.

Any higher than that and you have to drink the Comey, Mueller, McCabe, Lynch, Holder, Hoover KoolAid.

And that loyalty, corruption and backstabbing isn’t just the domain of the federal government, it’s everywhere. You’re either loyal to the cause or your not.

I wonder how many people are aware of the Giglio Rule. The one that states that agents aren’t allowed to testify or work cases if there’s any kind of truthfulness/lying investigations in their personnel file. Meaning, if an agent lies to a supervisor about his location or why he was late, it’s investigated and they’re written up for it, that agent isn’t working cases anymore. Their file may not rise to termination, but they cannot work on cases that will go to court, which is pretty much any of them. Lots of folks collecting checks doing nothing but cleaning guns and updating their Facebook accounts.


24 posted on 06/21/2018 2:54:54 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

I think that pretty much applies to a lot of what is happening not only in America, but the overwhelming majority of Western societies. I attribute that to the decline of real faith in our creator, and the rise in the adoption of socialism/communism within them.


25 posted on 06/21/2018 3:02:25 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: qaz123

“being in the FBI wasn’t what made them good men and women. They had a work ethic and integrity.”

That must’ve been when FBI was recruiting from military and law enforcement. Now they’re hiring from academia, a liberal cesspool. The character is completely different.


26 posted on 06/21/2018 3:08:53 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: Jacquerie

“to turn this scandal into Watergate X10.”

That ship sailed over a year ago.


27 posted on 06/21/2018 3:11:26 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: qaz123

As san Bernardino, Boston and several other terror acts show.. the fbi waits til th hey kill people to do thier job. Hexk any local PD could do thier job.


28 posted on 06/21/2018 3:16:41 AM PDT by momincombatboots (No Wall, No Way 2018)
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To: qaz123
FBI is an octopus...they stuck their noses under everyone’s tent, declared all things a national security threat and were able to take control.

Kinda like Spectre!

Paging James Bond. Mr. Bond, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

29 posted on 06/21/2018 3:20:31 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: pepsionice

>>And I’d be willing to hear the argument of moving half of their work efforts outside of DC....maybe to some place like St Louis or Charleston. They need to be outside of the beltway.

You can say that about many FedGov agencies. There’s way too much concentration in the Imperial City.


30 posted on 06/21/2018 3:37:51 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Robert DeLong

Good Apple FBI who let their bad Apples make deals with the media?

I do not believe it. If I had been an agent and seen coworkers getting golf tours in the open paid by the NYT, I would have denounced them. But this stuff seem to have been going on for a looong time and not a peep from any of these nincompoops who seem to value the cleanliness of their uniform above their internal rot


31 posted on 06/21/2018 3:39:33 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

FBI needs to be disbanded. US Marshall Service can take over. They are nothing by liars. Ask American Hero Richard Jewell.


32 posted on 06/21/2018 3:41:41 AM PDT by anton
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To: Robert DeLong

100%


33 posted on 06/21/2018 3:48:22 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: MayflowerMadam

Want to know how accurate your comment is? 1000% accurate.

No matter what fed agency I ever had the opportunity to work with, mostly DEA, FBI, Marshals, when you came across a
“good/cool/competent/laid back agent”, almost to the man/woman they were prior law enforcement, on a local level, or they were former military. The military guys, were usually former enlisted folks that went to college when they got out and then made the move. Basically, all the folks that fell into that category had to write accident reports in the rain, got into fights with perps, picked weeds out of the cracks in the parking lot, got to formation 2 hours early for the Change of Command ceremony to make sure they were on time.

There were a few that came directly from the college, talent pool that were decent, but they were few and far between. Unless they had some time on and the novelty of being a G-Man wore off.

Then you had the McCabe-Strzok-Comey types, who believed the BS from the word go and never forgot it. Unfortunately, they were the ones that were supervisors, etc and no one wanted them around.


34 posted on 06/21/2018 3:54:38 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: momincombatboots

Pretty much all of their “work” has been done after the fact, even after admitting that the individual was a “person of interest”.

If you look at their other cases, where they caught the guy beforehand, a lot of them are well into the entrapment category.


35 posted on 06/21/2018 3:56:11 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: BraveMan

Largely what you’ll find at Reason mag.


36 posted on 06/21/2018 4:46:10 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Maybe if everyone stopped sitting back listening to Q, we might have a chance to do that.


37 posted on 06/21/2018 4:47:39 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

The trouble is that it has been run by leftists, who have no problem interjecting their political biases into their professional responsibilities.
Look at Comey, the FBI interviewed Mateen prior to the Pulse shooting. Mateen cried racial profiling and now this leftwing institution backed off and watched him kill 49 innocent people. They blew the Lakeland Florida school shooting, no one was held accountable.

Comey had exonerated the Clintons on Whitewater and their hideous pardons. Big Media is complicit since they are there to help the Dems.

Now the FBI is using its power to alter elections.
That is where it has to be stopped. People must go to jail, or get rid of it. There is too much arrogant power.

I truly believe left wing managers are much more likely to bend to their political biases, and we have seen its devastating effects.


38 posted on 06/21/2018 5:04:50 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus
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To: Forgotten Amendments

In these days where we communicate with cellphones and computers, the FBI is an organization without a purpose. Back in the days of Capone it might have had one as state and local law enforcement had little in the way of resources. These days state and local government can cooperate to a much greater degree and a Federal agency is not necessary, save in specific instances such as having Treasury agents who deal with revenue law, Federal game wardens, and the like. Now that the FBI is proven to be an incompetent agency with no purpose other than to perform political hit jobs, it is time to disband it.


39 posted on 06/21/2018 5:05:20 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Alberta's Child
If I was serving on a Federal jury I would dismiss any evidence related to the FBI -- either an agent's testimony or evidence gathered by FBI personnel -- as irrelevant and patently false.

Totally agree

40 posted on 06/21/2018 5:58:48 AM PDT by onona (Be American, not a skin color.)
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