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As Haiti Burns, Never Forget: White People Did That
The Root ^ | July 9, 2018 | Michael Harriot

Posted on 07/10/2018 3:50:58 PM PDT by Trump20162020

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To: PapaBear3625
"Blocking methods [I] consider morally dubious"? Blocking?

You seem to have conjured up a vision that I am "blocking other methods," something which I have never done and have never even thought of doing.

What I actually did, was present a rational argument based on facts which I think are incontrovertible. I block nothing. I advocate the one method which can be used by the couple themselves, at no cost, with no side-effects, with almost unparalleled effectiveness, and without the aid or interference of anybody else on earth.

Forgive me, but I suspect you did not go to the links which provide the actual user-effectiveness of this method.

I am not "guaranteeing" an outcome of mass starvation.

Please don't Cathy Newman me.

221 posted on 07/12/2018 3:31:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Let the people take care of themselves, and the population will take care of itself.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

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That’s what Jesuit rule produces.


222 posted on 07/12/2018 3:33:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PapaBear3625
Without regard to how great America truly is, she will eventually succumb to unbridled illegal immigration. It may take a century or more for this country to fall but if nothing is done, fall it will.
The Obama administration launched a slander campaign against the Dominican people and a corruption campaign against the Dominican government to force open our borders to Haiti. A weak and small nation like mine will have its life expectancy measured in years or decades, if we're very optimistic.

As the scion of a nation marked for extinction, I can be somewhat emotional on the subject. For that reason, I request a little forbearance in accepting my apologies for lashing out while recognizing that, as the canary in the coal mine, you are witnessing your future in me.

223 posted on 07/12/2018 3:35:11 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You seem to have conjured up a vision that I am "blocking other methods," something which I have never done and have never even thought of doing.

OK, so you are just advocating in favor of a method you have a preference for, and would not oppose people who attempt to supply Haitians with other methods. That's cool. Multiple methods can be tried, and we can see what actually works.

224 posted on 07/12/2018 3:39:17 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: stormhill
As the scion of a nation marked for extinction, I can be somewhat emotional on the subject. For that reason, I request a little forbearance in accepting my apologies for lashing out while recognizing that, as the canary in the coal mine, you are witnessing your future in me.

Yes, I recognize that the society of the Dominican Republic will be destroyed by invasion from Haiti, and I'm sorry for what you are facing.

The rest of Western Civilization will face a similar fate, eventually, unless we finally adopt a rule where those who are unable to feed their offspring, are not given license to flood the rest of us with those offspring.

225 posted on 07/12/2018 3:45:35 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: Dagnabitt; stormhill; DiogenesLamp; PapaBear3625
So far, nobody has addressed the failure of tens of millions of dollars' worth of contraceptive programs in Haiti. Hormonal pills have been aggressively pushed there by WHO, UNFPA, Haitian government, NGOs, philanthropic foundations and charities over the last 40 years. There have been amply-funded campaigns for distributing condoms in Haiti since the AIDS outbreak in the 1980's.

Despite all that, less than 40% of Haitian women use any contraceptives at all. Very obviously, only coercive methods would be "successful" as some seem to define "success," which means suppressing Haitian childbearing without reference to the overall health, dignity, or even choice of the people involved.

I trust you'll be intelligently curious about people who have actually implemented fertility-awareness-based NFP programs. This article references the inauguration of a NFP program in Haiti

... and this one takes a larger view of contraception and Third World poverty.

Here's a good one on NFP in India, by the British Medical Journal.

The following from the Abstract is interesting:

Natural family planning, when used by motivated couples, is a safe and cost-effective means of birth control. ... A total of 869 women of diverse ethnic and economic backgrounds participated in a study conducted by the World Health Organization. Regardless of literacy and culture, 93% of the women were able to recognize the changes in their cervical mucus associated with ovulation... A failure rate of 0.2 pregnancies per 100 women was found in a study of 19,843 women in India.
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226 posted on 07/12/2018 4:29:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Let the people take care of themselves, and the population will take care of itself.)
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To: Trump20162020

No remember that Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, The Clinton Foundation, and their Cronies have made Haiti what it is today. That is where the Blame Needs To Go!!!!!!!!!!!


227 posted on 07/12/2018 4:32:55 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Why do so many Haitian women not use contraception? My guess is because they don’t want to. The more kids they have, the more likely they might have somebody interested in taking care of them in old age, is perhaps their reasoning.

When population increases, and food supply does not, eventually it will result in having to kill your competitors over access to food.


228 posted on 07/12/2018 4:44:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: PapaBear3625
As I said before, I'm pretty sure that most people who have a lot of children, have a lot of children because they want to have a lot of children.

The poorer you are, the less you can afford NOT to have children.

Nobody else will care for you in the midst of earthquake, hurricane, fire or natural disaster, or when you're unemployed, sick, disabled, or well on in years.

If people had a better prospect for the future with fewer kids, I double-dog guarantee they would know or find out how to have fewer kids.

229 posted on 07/12/2018 4:58:01 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Let the people take care of themselves, and the population will take care of itself.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Why do so many Haitian women not use contraception? My guess is because they don’t want to

I think your conjecture is entirely accurate. Furthermore, in large swaths of Haitian, oh, society, the concept of family, as we have traditionally understood it, does not exist.

To add my own guesswork, if one of my two children had disappeared as infants or toddlers, the alarm would have circled the globe because I would never have stopped screaming about it. Yet, with the Haitian children spirited away by Hillary's people, we only heard about them from a whispering campaign. Is it possible these children were voluntarily sold or traded by their mothers? Talk about having children for financial security! That's giving birth to your own meal ticket.

At any rate, the best form of contraception is a family that will be saddled with your mistakes; take money, food aid and every other reward out of bastardy and it will diminish to a manageable level.

230 posted on 07/12/2018 5:04:04 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No one is as interested in your anti-contraception agenda as you are.


231 posted on 07/12/2018 9:41:19 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Be kind to Q-cultists. They need our compassion during their madness.)
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To: stormhill
At any rate, the best form of contraception is a family that will be saddled with your mistakes; take money, food aid and every other reward out of bastardy and it will diminish to a manageable level.

Eliminate all forms of welfare away, and instead provide women with jobs (where she doesn't get paid if she has to take time off to care for kids), and the attraction of kids will be greatly diminished.

Women working, plus social security and retirement plans, have done much to reduce the US middle-class birth rate below replacement level. We need to fix that, if the US is to survive in a viable condition.

232 posted on 07/13/2018 4:15:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: stormhill
To add my own guesswork, if one of my two children had disappeared as infants or toddlers, the alarm would have circled the globe because I would never have stopped screaming about it. Yet, with the Haitian children spirited away by Hillary's people, we only heard about them from a whispering campaign. Is it possible these children were voluntarily sold or traded by their mothers? Talk about having children for financial security! That's giving birth to your own meal ticket.

If your primary motivation for having kids is for your own future security, then selling a child (for enough money to finance having another) becomes an attractive option.

I would not be surprised to find it happening in our own "inner cities" as well.

233 posted on 07/13/2018 4:19:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.)
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To: Dagnabitt
Good morning, dagnabitt!

Thanks for getting on at #233 to tell me that.

But wait... there's more!

234 posted on 07/13/2018 4:51:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (If women ran theworld we wouldn't have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days. Robin Williams)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

ZZZZZ


235 posted on 07/13/2018 12:59:27 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Be kind to Q-cultists. They need our compassion during their madness.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

There’s still som colored/mulattos in Haiti. Not all that much, granted.


236 posted on 07/14/2018 1:06:21 AM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: Jonty30

They used to grow rice but then some do-gooders got together with the American farm lobby and imported a bunch of American grown rice to Haiti to give away as “aid”... and this completely destroyed the Haitian rice farmers who could not compete with “free.”

The US did the same thing in Vietnam and it undercut our support there.


237 posted on 09/07/2018 12:54:50 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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