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Pence family's failed gas stations cost taxpayers $20M+ (leftist Yahoo News)
Yahoo ^ | July 13, 2018 | Brian Slodysko

Posted on 07/15/2018 8:42:24 AM PDT by gattaca

GARDEN CITY, Ind. (AP) -- Vice President Mike Pence turns nostalgic when he talks about growing up in small-town Columbus, Indiana, where his father helped build an empire of more than 200 gas stations that provided an upbringing on the "front row of the American dream."

The collapse of Kiel Bros. Oil Co. in 2004 was widely publicized. Less known is that the state of Indiana — and, to a smaller extent, Kentucky and Illinois — are still on the hook for millions of dollars to clean up more than 85 contaminated sites across the three states, including underground tanks that leaked toxic chemicals into soil, streams and wells.

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To: Skywise
Yep, you’re right about the underground storage tank regulations that hit in the late 80’s to early 90’s. A bigger cost than replacing the USTs was the remediation to clean up contamination from spills and leaks.

The main way cleanup costs could pass to the State or some cases to the feds was if the responsible parties could not be identified, no longer existed or if an existing parties were only responsible for a minor fraction of the damage leaving a major part of the costs legally nonrecoverable. Environmental companies and lawyers made $$$ by the truck load for a number of years while the UST boom was peaked.

21 posted on 07/15/2018 9:20:23 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Mariner
If you don’t think the media uses the “truth” to smear politically unfavorable people, you don’t understand how the media works.

It is factual that Kiel Bros. Oil went bankrupt and state governments have had to pay for cleanup (mandated by government regulations). However, as other posters have pointed out, there is no mention of how much sales and property tax revenue the company generated over the years that went into state coffers. Furthermore there’s no mention of what role Mike Pence played in the operation of the company, which was founded in 1941. Pence wasn’t even born until 1959.

Articles like these are not designed to illuminate the truth. They are hit pieces designed to smear the target.

22 posted on 07/15/2018 9:22:45 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: gattaca

So this is Pence’s fault how?


23 posted on 07/15/2018 9:24:13 AM PDT by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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To: Skywise

Never mind the fact that the EPA rules were changed in the late 90s forcing many of these gas stations into bankruptcy

Also never mind the fact that the EPA rules REQUIRED the use of MTBE.

MTBE will permeate the systems that met the EPA specs.
So AFTER requiring MTBE, the EPA ‘upgrades’ the specs.

That crap will diffuse through many plastics and fiberglass.

Also DECREASES gas mileage.


24 posted on 07/15/2018 9:24:18 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: gattaca

Oh the humanity! 0bama is still trying to give America to the muslims.


25 posted on 07/15/2018 9:26:27 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda�Divide and conquer seems to be working.?)
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To: gattaca

Didn’t Obama force us taxpayers to fund a multi-million dollars gas station over in the Mid-East somewhere?


26 posted on 07/15/2018 9:27:48 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: gattaca
The real fact is that the government itself caused every single one of these leaking underground tank problems.

By law, in the US gas stations must have underground tanks. This is supposedly for fire prevention, but in Europe tanks are above ground, and we have never noticed a huge number of gas station fires over there, have we?

The real problem is that an underground tank is impossible to either inspect or maintain, while with an above ground tank both precesses are trivial, and leaking tanks are promptly repaired or replaced.

When the government causes a major problem and then pushes the costs off onto a few individuals, it somehow seems fitting that if this bankrupts the individuals the costs should come back to bite the government.

27 posted on 07/15/2018 9:37:10 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: gattaca

No one will ever accuse Bernie Sanders’ businesses of leaving a mess for the taxpayers to clean up.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/heres-why-the-feds-are-investigating-bernie-sanders-wife-jane


28 posted on 07/15/2018 9:38:49 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: gattaca

None of the Pences were targeted, prosecuted, or found guilty of anything.

Next!


29 posted on 07/15/2018 9:44:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Take a look out there folks. Can you see evidence of a Left Wing Hate Group, perhaps fascist too?)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

MTBE also destroyed gasket materials used in refinery pumps. So they had to go to an exotic gasket material that costed 10 times the old type. It increased the cost of maintenance at the refineries who then had to pass the cost on to the pump. So we got to pay for their foul up.

If I remember correctly, several years later the EPA quietly announced that MTBE did nothing to help the environment.


30 posted on 07/15/2018 9:45:08 AM PDT by Texas resident (Democrats=Enemy of People of The United States of America)
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To: gattaca

Tweeted a question to all authors where this was posted on Twitter asking if any other gas companies were costing us Indiana taxpayers money. Not expecting replies.


31 posted on 07/15/2018 9:47:27 AM PDT by John W (Trump/Pence 2020)
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To: Skywise

The bureaucrats who make these laws have probably never held a private sector job and have no clue as to the problems that they create.


32 posted on 07/15/2018 9:50:33 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (4- Do something,,,,even if it's wrong.)
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To: gattaca

Collusion between dems and big oil to wipe out the little guy competition.


33 posted on 07/15/2018 9:51:28 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Not smart or energetic enough. But the Brooklyn, and ny voters are probably too stupid to see that, so he keeps getting elected.


34 posted on 07/15/2018 9:53:11 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: SoCal Pubbie
A truth that's told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent.

William Blake

35 posted on 07/15/2018 9:54:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: John W

“When they go low we’ll go lower”. MO. I think she said higher but we know what she meant.


36 posted on 07/15/2018 9:54:43 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: gattaca

What toxic chemicals leaked? If the reference is to gasoline tanks, wouldn’t all the gas have been pumped out of the tanks after the stations closed?


37 posted on 07/15/2018 9:56:32 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: I want the USA back

His bro is running for a house seat!


38 posted on 07/15/2018 10:00:47 AM PDT by dforest (Never let a Muslim cut your hair.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
" Furthermore there’s no mention of what role Mike Pence played in the operation of the company, which was founded in 1941. Pence wasn’t even born until 1959." That's what makes this a hit piece. Got it. It felt funny when I read it.
39 posted on 07/15/2018 10:03:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Is the information true, or not?

If true, it’s not a smear.


It is the interpretation of the facts that are in question, and what is emphasized.

The government changed the rules ex post facto, with the EPA.

Then the left claims the station owners owe the government money.

The EPA actions have always been unconstitutional, IMHO.

They are penalizing owners for what happened decades prior, when the actions were legal; and the penalties are outrageously excessive.


40 posted on 07/15/2018 10:03:30 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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