Posted on 07/25/2018 9:36:45 AM PDT by libstripper
I’m not killing anyone.
I actuality don’t think the situation should have ended the way it did but what I think about it doesn’t really matter. It’s up to the Authorities to determine what was or wasn’t justified.
Who started this cavalcade of idiocy, the Baby Mama. It went downhill from there.
“If you are considered a pain in the ass, you are not allowed to defend yourself after a Thug violently shoves you to the ground because you were arguing with his Baby Mama.”
Bump
You've been blowing pretty hard on this topic since it came up. Apparently, you're in the "fighting for entertainment" segment of the population. A lot of us are not. We're in the "leave me the hell alone" segment of the population.
Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'. If you don't want to get shot, don't go around punching and shoving people. This isn't the '70s, nor are we in some Turd World hellhole, where jerks can go around causing trouble with impunity.
This is not, BTW, a defense of the shooter in this particular case. He started the confrontation and was arguably committing an assault against the female occupant of the car when he was shoved. Sometimes, there are no 'good guys'.
In any case, I see no need for an honest citizen to engage in fisticuffs when attacked by some jerk. Jerks should become familiar with the fact that their lives are at stake when they attack, and find more productive ways to entertain themselves.
I’m not conflating anything.
Since I can’t read minds like you obviously can, I have no idea if the Shooter was being vengeful, fearful or he was just a frighing idiot.
That's not the Stand Your Ground law, it's self defense. SYG is only that portion that says, "A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force."
It was a bad shoot.
Can’t spin it any other way.
In one of my CHL classes, the instructor (a former cop) talked about this sort of thing. There had been a case here in Houston area of a retiree who was keeping an eye on his neighbors' house while they were out of town. While looking out his window, he discovered that a couple of guys had broken into the neighbors' house and were stealing stuff and loading into their vehicle. He called the police, and told them he'd stop the robbers if the police could not get there. He was told not to do that, but he went out anyway and confronted them and killed them both (with a shotgun, I think).
The old guy was not charged, but his legal battles went on for some time, and I think he was sued by the relatives of the dead thugs (I think they were Columbian "nationals").
The CHL instructor used this story as an example of what not to do. Even though the retiree was not charged with a crime, he had to spend a lot of money defending himself, and probably burned through his retirement doing so. The instructor repeatedly told us to say away from minor BS like parking space arguments.
“Somehow I don’t think this is the last we’ll see of Mr. Drejka.”
I heard he recently bought a watermelon farm and is having trouble with a labor supplier.
Seriously? You are adopting the “snowflake standard.” If someone offends you, you have the right to act violently. Please watch the video. The shooter seems to be having a conversation with the woman in the car. He appears to take pains to position himself so as not to threaten her, e.g., he stands 4 or 5 feet away from the car. The deceased comes out of the store and just decides to tackle the shooter from the blind-side. Again, I am 50-50 as to whether the shooter broke the law. But please, let’s not adopt the ghetto/snowflake standard as to when violence can be used.
The woman got out of the car distracting the shooter and then Mark shoved him to the ground at the same time. Didn’t look like Mark was backing up till he saw a gun coming out. With two pissed black folk confronting him he could feel fear for his life after being assaulted. The woman’s reaction to being dissed escalated the meeting with the ask whole parking police who happen to be right!
Hence my analogy to the biker bar and the Hell’s Angel.
But, had the shooter NOT fired, he could very well have been arrested - charged with recklessly “brandishing” the handgun. Pretty much, if you, who is not a police officer, draw a gun, you HAVE to shoot to avoid brandishing charges.
I was being facetious in responding to a Post.
Lighten up Francis.
Would you feel better if the guy who was shoved to the ground hit his head in the pavement and bled out? Who would you be defending then?
I believe there is or will be a civil case because this morning the local news had a lawyer (who they said sued George Zimmerman in the Travon Martin case) say he was going to file suit against Drejka. So even if he doesn't end up in jail for the shooting he is going to be dragged over the coals for any money he has (and that's my 2 cents). BTW, I don't think he was justified, the video has been played frequently here since it is local and every time I see the dirtbag boyfriend at a distance after he has pushed Drejka to the ground then he backs further away when the guy pulls his gun. Of course the only thing we have is the video, no audio so any threats made are not audible and I doubt girlfriend will say they were threatening him.
I am not sure what the legalities are but if all I knew was what I saw on the tape, I would never vote to convict if I was a juror.
I do know what I was taught when I was being trained in firearms. I have every right to defend myself, but I need to always adhere to three principles:
1. Innocence (I should be innocent in the eyes of the law, and should not be the one who provoked a situation and then claimed self defense when there was a reaction to my provocation)
2. Imminence (there should be clearly imminent violence coming my way)
3. Proportionality (I shouldn’t fire a 9mm HST in response to a slap to the face ...and yes, I know for some that’s perfectly okay).
4. Avoidance
That’s what I follow, and it has worked quite well for me. I stay away from certain places, I don’t get into arguments, I don’t get ‘triggered’ or whatever people call it nowadays, my situational awareness is well honed, etc etc etc.
What I see happening here is some man arguing with a woman, that woman’s boyfriend/whatever comes out and shoved the first man hard, the shoved man (who was the one having the argument with the Lady) draws a pistol and aims it at the second man, the second man starts to back away, and the first man shoots him.
If this goes to court I am very curious what the jury says.
On FR ...does not matter much. The man shot was black - or as a poster on this thread said, a ‘thug’ - and I’m sure many in the ‘new FR’ are thus okay with him being shot. After all, the ‘thug violently shoved the other man to the ground because he was arguing with his Baby Mama.’ Thus, totally justified as per the rules here.
I am really curious how some of the posters here would react if I (a black man) was having a shouting match with their spouse in the parking lot. I wonder if they would come out, and maybe even shove me ‘violently.’ I wonder what would happen if as soon as my ass hit the ground I drew my Glock 17 and put my carry round for the day (depending on month, a 147g HST or 147g Winchester Bonded) into them. As an IDPA ranked Sharpshooter (no USPSA where I am), at that range I wouldn’t miss. Couldn’t miss.
I’m sure though that when that video was shown on FR the narrative would be ‘I’ would be the thug.
And no, I’m usually not concerned with the silly racial mumbojumbo in the US. A some of you may know, there is VERY little love lost between Africans and African Americans. But the hypocrisy is ridiculous.
Trayvon Martin deserved the S&B 115gr 9mm he got ...that was proper self defense, and Trayvon should not have done what he did.
The man in this video however did not deserve to die. His killer may get away with it, and probably will, but the man did not deserve to die.
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