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To: libstripper

I have not looked at the video but it seems to me if you are carrying you have an extra responsibility to avoid provoking a dispute. Being a self appointed handicapped cop police is provoking a dispute.

On prior posts commenting on this event many say the shooter was justified. In my mind, he provoked it and shouldn’t have been carrying.


3 posted on 07/25/2018 9:44:34 AM PDT by alternatives? (Why have an army if there are no borders?)
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To: alternatives?

The video would have “feel good video of the day” potential if the shooter weren’t being such an a-hole for making a big deal over where they were parked. The deceased made the bigger mistake by getting violent in the first place.


24 posted on 07/25/2018 9:56:34 AM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative.)
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... it seems to me if you are carrying you have an extra responsibility to avoid provoking a dispute. Being a self appointed handicapped cop police is provoking a dispute.

Agreed.

29 posted on 07/25/2018 9:57:44 AM PDT by al_c (https://conventionofstates.com)
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To: alternatives?
I have not looked at the video but it seems to me if you are carrying you have an extra responsibility to avoid provoking a dispute. Being a self appointed handicapped cop police is provoking a dispute. On prior posts commenting on this event many say the shooter was justified. In my mind, he provoked it and shouldn’t have been carrying.

In one of my CHL classes, the instructor (a former cop) talked about this sort of thing. There had been a case here in Houston area of a retiree who was keeping an eye on his neighbors' house while they were out of town. While looking out his window, he discovered that a couple of guys had broken into the neighbors' house and were stealing stuff and loading into their vehicle. He called the police, and told them he'd stop the robbers if the police could not get there. He was told not to do that, but he went out anyway and confronted them and killed them both (with a shotgun, I think).

The old guy was not charged, but his legal battles went on for some time, and I think he was sued by the relatives of the dead thugs (I think they were Columbian "nationals").

The CHL instructor used this story as an example of what not to do. Even though the retiree was not charged with a crime, he had to spend a lot of money defending himself, and probably burned through his retirement doing so. The instructor repeatedly told us to say away from minor BS like parking space arguments.

49 posted on 07/25/2018 10:09:46 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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Seriously? You are adopting the “snowflake standard.” If someone offends you, you have the right to act violently. Please watch the video. The shooter seems to be having a conversation with the woman in the car. He appears to take pains to position himself so as not to threaten her, e.g., he stands 4 or 5 feet away from the car. The deceased comes out of the store and just decides to tackle the shooter from the blind-side. Again, I am 50-50 as to whether the shooter broke the law. But please, let’s not adopt the ghetto/snowflake standard as to when violence can be used.


51 posted on 07/25/2018 10:10:41 AM PDT by bort
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To: alternatives?
I have not looked at the video but it seems to me if you are carrying you have an extra responsibility to avoid provoking a dispute. Being a self appointed handicapped cop police is provoking a dispute.

That's how I go about my business when carrying - do my best to stay away from any confrontation and would rather "brandish" my weapon or fire a verboten warning shot (if safe to do so) before taking a life - even a low-life unless absolutely necessary. Some here seem to be itching for their "chance" but I grew up with weapons and a solid respect for life.

100 posted on 07/25/2018 10:55:36 AM PDT by trebb (Too many "Conservatives" who think their opinions outweigh reality these days...)
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