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In before the first picture of John Kerry.
1 posted on 08/20/2018 10:43:08 AM PDT by Jagermonster
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To: Jagermonster

A remarkable proportion of the old Russian aristocracy was descended from Mongol/Tatar ancestors. There is a very interesting bit on this, analysis of names and ancestries, in Orlando Figes, “Natashas Dance”.


2 posted on 08/20/2018 10:52:25 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Jagermonster

As for the Mongols being the reason that Russia is screwed up, this is a very old argument. It goes back into the 17th century at least, in Russia.

Orlando Figes discusses this at length.

Another proponent of the theory was the late Richard Pipes, “Russia Under the old Regime”.

I guess the “new” idea is that Russia was not screwed up by the Mongols and they were a good thing. This is also an old idea. Also argued forever.


3 posted on 08/20/2018 11:00:00 AM PDT by buwaya
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Okay, so I won't use John Kerry ...


4 posted on 08/20/2018 11:00:36 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Antifa and Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) = SturmAbteilung)
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To: Jagermonster

This is an interesting premise, but an overly narrow view of history that fails to capture the true history of the region. Putin and other Russian autocrats from the Romanovs on down have seen themselves as the heirs to Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire). Even Mehmet the great crowned himself Caesar after the fall of Constantinople. Autocracy in the region flows from this history. The Kaiser in Germany and the Tsars in Russia were absolute monarchs long before the Golden Hoard and long after. The real angst in Russia is that Byzantium USED the Golden Hoard to pummel Russia when they challenged the Emperor and Patriach.


7 posted on 08/20/2018 11:07:36 AM PDT by WilliamWallace1999 (Elections have consequences)
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Years ago I read a book on Russian history that was written in the 70’s. The part about the Mongol occupation was Zip, Zilch, Nada, Nyet.


8 posted on 08/20/2018 11:08:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Consensus isn't science.)
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12 posted on 08/20/2018 11:22:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Jagermonster
The rise of the Mongol Empire coincided with the Medieval warm period.

It came about because the warm period brought increased rain to the steppes, which created vast areas of grassland, allowing a large increase in the Mongol population, and allowing them to traverse vast distances, living off their animals, which lived off the grasslands.

But the climate alarmists claim the the Medieval warm period was a purely local phenomena. It does not fit their narrative of only recent warming.

13 posted on 08/20/2018 11:24:32 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Jagermonster
Perhaps this will aid the discussion.
17 posted on 08/20/2018 11:39:58 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jagermonster

Khan was a true alpha male and I’m glad there is a recent historic drive to rehabilitate his image,

He was an alpha who loved his people and lead with courage and wisdom


20 posted on 08/20/2018 11:55:22 AM PDT by WashingtonFire (President Trump - it's like having your dad as President)
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The Mongols did some of the most horrible killing ever done. Women, children... didn’t matter. They killed everyone in awful ways for spectacle.


24 posted on 08/20/2018 2:08:18 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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