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Apple Barrel Country Store & Cafe | Schoharie, NY 12157

https://kywnewsradio.radio.com/articles/ap-news/police-20-dead-upstate-ny-crash-involving-limousine-0

[nikos1121]

Young people old people? Who were in the limousine?

[No Socialist]

Awful. I expected the limo to be in much worse shape, considering everyone was killed. So sad.

[theoldmarine]

Was the limo driver’s name Ahmed or Muhammed? Just curious.

[kiryandil]

Shut up and pay yer taxes, peasant...

[dfwgator]

Stretch limos are the new Duck Boat.

[Pollard]

When they stretch these vehicles out, it adds a lot of weight. Nothing but the best brake, suspension and steering parts should be used for maintaining and they must be very well maintained.

Sounds like they got one that needed a lot of work or needed to be retired.

[SamAdams76]

Due to the horrible state of journalism, we are forced to speculate. News articles today are written at a fifth grade level by people with a third grade education.

The "Who, What, Where, When and Why" of journalism? Doesn't exist anymore. Nearly 100% of all news articles written today lack one or more of those elements.

Disgraceful that nearly two days later, we still don't have a decent article to rely on as to what happened.

That said, I do have my thoughts on this. Nearly 20 people crammed into a nearly 20-year-old limo? Crazy. I don't blame the passengers. They were renting a limo to have a good time and as they were headed to a place where there would be drinking, they probably thought they were being good citizens by eliminating any possibility of DUI.

Used to be limos were reasonably sized and intended for 4-6 passengers tops. In recent years, they have been stretched to ridiculous sizes where 20 or more can be accommodated. With that many people, you really need a bus with forward facing seats. A limo is just inappropriate for this many people unless custom-made for that purpose with all the necessary safety features. Stretching a limo to this size (with four regular car tires) is a recipe for disaster.

As others on this thread have pointed out, going from 60-0 (or even 40-0) mph is pretty much going to kill you if you are not restrained by seat belt or air bag. So I have no trouble believing that all passengers were instantly killed under these circumstances. It's very tragic and the operators of the limo were irresponsible in allowing this situation.