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How Scientology And The Nation Of Islam Formed A Bizarre And Dangerous Alliance
The Federalist ^ | November 26, 2018 | Alex VanNess and Ryan Mauro

Posted on 11/26/2018 1:43:57 PM PST by detective

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To: Retrofitted
It was my understanding that Manson claimed to be the leader or a high-ranking member of a scientology splinter group as well, The Process Church

He may well have been. I have no idea.

I've got no love for the 'church', but I won't try to pin Charles Manson on them. Lots of well known people have been passing members of that organization, including John Brodie, Stanley Clarke, Ingo Swan, Christopher Reeve, Chaka Khan, and many others.

41 posted on 11/26/2018 4:09:24 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: detective

I tend to think of Antifa as a bunch of Manson Family types. Basically psychopaths — neglected youth who seem to derive some kind of religious ecstasy from all this left-wing stuff.


42 posted on 11/26/2018 4:10:21 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: Windflier

John Brodie - I remember reading that Sports Illustrated. I always like him as a QB, even though in those days usually the 49’ers sucked.


43 posted on 11/26/2018 4:11:39 PM PST by Reily
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To: SkyDancer

44 posted on 11/26/2018 4:15:25 PM PST by DoodleBob
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To: detective
Hubbard was an out and out Satanist with clear connections to Alistair Crowley and the OTO:

Hubbard and the Occult Jon Atack

45 posted on 11/26/2018 4:19:04 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: PapaBear3625
In a centralized environment where they could threaten publishers and TV producers, they could be successful in keeping a lid on negative info about them.

Once the Internet had every pissed off victim able to publish his or her story, there were just too many targets to keep up with.

Very true. They also lost the courts as a tool to silence critics, as over time, they were increasingly litigating against former church staff who had massive amounts of insider dirt to spill in front of judges and juries.

In more and more of those cases, they were forced to settle out of court, rather than allow their crimes and injustices to go into the public record. Ex members are now defying the non disclosure agreements they signed with the church, and are daring them to file suit.

The fear is gone.

46 posted on 11/26/2018 4:28:47 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: PapaBear3625
What a great link! I had no idea that Harlan Ellison was such a fan of L. Ron Hubbard's writing.

Also, I never expected to hear anyone out-talk Robin Williams.

47 posted on 11/26/2018 4:44:06 PM PST by TChad
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To: Fractal Trader
Don't forget Jack Parsons...
48 posted on 11/26/2018 4:58:13 PM PST by null and void (Socialist Worker's Party. If they ever get elected, you'll work and they'll party.)
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To: Windflier

Then why do they have it?


49 posted on 11/26/2018 5:37:32 PM PST by nickcarraway (t)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Would they be trying to find recruits among the entertainment industry if it was so Republican?


50 posted on 11/26/2018 5:37:32 PM PST by nickcarraway (t)
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To: Windflier

As the commander of an ani-submarine vessel he staged an unsanctioned invasion of Mexico during World War II. Maybe some people think that’s cool today, but he really shouldn’t have done that. Especially since, not only were they our allies, they were one of only two countries South of us in the Americas to actually send troops.


51 posted on 11/26/2018 5:37:32 PM PST by nickcarraway (t)
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To: nickcarraway

Background, history, reference, etc.


52 posted on 11/26/2018 6:24:34 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: detective

I read years ago that Hubbard made up scientology on a bet with John W. Campbell that he could start a successful fake religion.

Funny thing was, Hubbard wasn’t a bad SF writer - some of his stuff is pretty good.


53 posted on 11/26/2018 6:41:55 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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>>“I’d also bet that no more than 5 Freepers total have ever read ANYTHING L. Ron wrote and thus have not arrived at their opinions by any means other than group think.”

>>Why would any normal, intelligent person waste their time reading anything written by L. Ron Hubbard?

>>Scientology is a weird, exploitive cult. There have been many books and articles written about Scientology. Many former members have told their stories.

This is how rumor and innuendo take precedence over original source material. Scientology has been targeted by liberal factions almost since its inception. The material you need to form an intelligent, informed conclusion is a mouse click away. I’m not sure how much energy it takes to click a mouse, but for most people, it appears be to require the oomph of a D11 Caterpillar. :)


54 posted on 11/26/2018 7:52:37 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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>>Would they be trying to find recruits among the entertainment industry if it was so Republican?

Most entertainment industry people in Scientology had not been propagandized against it by leftists pushing identity politics. The lineup of Scientologists in entertainment is pretty dang impressive, lots of A-listers and many working in production. Scientology requires that you quit drugs and that’s a tough sell to 80% of the industry.


55 posted on 11/26/2018 7:57:52 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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The best send up of scientology is sci-fi writer Jack Vance’s take on it, written in 1966. Read the ‘Brains of Earth/Nopalgarth’. Pretty funny, for those that know.

Freegards


56 posted on 11/26/2018 8:09:28 PM PST by Ransomed
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I’d also bet that no more than 5 Freepers total have ever read ANYTHING L. Ron wrote and thus have not arrived at their opinions by any means other than group think.

If you mean his Scientology stuff, then probably not. But if you mean ANYTHING he wrote, I'm sure more than five of us have read him. He's the most published author ever, with over 1,000 works. Mostly Sci-fi, some western stuff. Lots of short stories, many published in the old scifi magazines I'm sure several people here used to read.
57 posted on 11/27/2018 12:20:40 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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“As a Scientologist since 1973, I can tell you that the science fiction angle is blown all out of proportion in the press and online discussions.”

So... the science fiction part is there, but it’s on the dl. :D


58 posted on 11/28/2018 11:19:00 AM PST by TheArmchairGeneral
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So... the science fiction part is there, but it’s on the dl. :D

It's not on the down low at all, but it's not nearly as important to the philosophy or practice as many think it is.

59 posted on 11/28/2018 3:33:01 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: TheArmchairGeneral

By the way, welcome to Free Republic.


60 posted on 11/28/2018 3:34:09 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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