Posted on 02/14/2019 8:56:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
He won PA by over 50,000 votes, he brought more than 300,000 more votes in PA than any Republican before, as he did in MANY of the other upper midwestern states, AND had the election been just a few days later he would have won MN as well...
Believe me, Dems didn’t “underperform” in the upper midwest... that’s a leftist lie... Trump did the one thing R’s should have been doing all along but never did... Offering the disenfranchised life long dems, who’s party had marched off a cliff and away from them, a REASON to vote Republican.
The Dems have moved even further left, had an standard republican candidate ran in 2016 we’d be looking at President Hillary right now, fortunately they didn’t. Trump isn’t going to lose a single vote from 16, and going to gain a lot more, regardless of who the Dems put up. The press can bash and attack and distort all they like, but if you think the people on the ground in the upper midwest don’t see first hand the improved direction, particularly of their smaller and medium cities and are moving under Trump’s policies, then you are just living in denial.
2020 Trump will win them all by larger margins. Your lack of understanding just what and how Trump won the upper midwest, is why you can’t see how he’ll win it again, and decidedly so. You put up a standard GOPe shill who refuses to learn the lessons of Trump and yes the upper midwest will swing back as those disenfranchised folks will sit out, just like they had done for elections before.... Trump as the candidate? Not a chance in hell, he will get all of them from 16 and a hell of a lot more.
There is no path to 270 for the Dems in 2020... And the smart dems know it, they are using 2020 to lay the ground work for their national organizations for 2024 when they have a shot.. and will not stick around TOOO long, so that they won’t have the millstone around their neck of being a loser in 2020.
The Dem who tops the ticket in 2020 will be a back bencher has been/never was, or some radical not ready for prime time fool, who’s sole purpose, will be to simply keep the party faithful motivated, so they don’t wind up fully slaughtered in down ballot elections. They have ZERO chance of winning... short of the two scenarios I outlined before.
Anything is possible-—The Democrats need to put up someone who is sane —qualified for the job. Not a nutcase Socialist (if any still exist in the party). Get away frim “idenity politics” Did that with Obama and it didn’t turn put so well. So, no blacks, no women, etc...a real compettent fellow.
I haven’t seen those since the late 70’s!
All of the candidates so far don’t have much, but most of them I can see a “little” something why the Democratic Party masses would love them except for one.
Elizabeth Warren
I don’t know how she became a leader. She doesn’t have any spark or passion. She just comes across as a Lefty OLD woman. Who is she going to inspire?
What kind of support % is she getting? It has to be close to zero.
Lizzie Lieawatha might get some traction if the banks do something stupid to p*ss people off. She has basically built her whole career around punishing them.
Short of that, not really viable. Too old and (it turns out) too white.
When 101% of Detroit and Philadelphia show up at the polls to vote for FREE SH** you and I can talk.
Philadelphia shows up EVERY election... Detroit does too... your logic if flawed... Democrats have NO MORE VOTES to pull..
2008 Obama got ~ 3.3 Million votes in PA... 2012 3.0 and 216 2.9... Guess who where that drop in Dem votes went??? Meanwhile the GOP put up 2.65M in 08, 2.68M in 12... and 3M in 16! Guess where those 200-300k more Trump got came from?
You think Philly’s turnout in any of those races was significantly lower for the D?
08 595,980
12 588,806
16 584,025
You are talking a delta of 12,000 votes different between 08 Obama an 16 Hillary in Philadelphia.... That’s it! Your stand that somehow Dems offering more fo the same crap they’ve always sold will somehow change the dynamic in the upper midwest is NONSENSE.
Its not supported by ANY rational evaluation of the numbers. Democratic party has purged the blue dogs, they started in the 90s and marched to the point of insanity now... During that time LOTS of multi generational democrats in the midwest disengaged because they no longer remotely stood for what they believe in.... They didn’t cross the aisle, because, honestly the GOPe never gave them a reason or argument to, so they simply stayed home.... TRUMP gave them a reason too, and they showed up, and as long as he keeps putting America First, and the economy is strong they will not only KEEP showing up. more of those disenfranchised and disengaged will, as the D’s have plowed ever further left.
There is no path to 270 for the Dems in 2020... it does not exist.. short of completely economic collapse, or Trump being viewed by his base as no longer supporting America First.
Every Dem candidate so far as endorsed the Green New Deal. It's like they've all put on cement shoes before jumping in the pool.
I remember election year 1992 and the field of Democrats running against GHW Bush weren’t so hot. Bush was coming off a popular victory in the Gulf War. The No New Taxes pledge did not do Bush in until Bill Clinton got the nomination and made it the centerpiece if this opposition to Bush. Rush Limbaugh was laughing during their convention saying how the purple Koolaid, a reference to Jim Jones, was being handed out. And I think we remember how that election turned out.
you make a very good point
Clinton won because Ross Perot took most of the Republican votes away.
Who will be the independent like Perot in 2020?
The point is we shouldn’t be laughing too much yet. Some Never Trumper could jump in and take just enough votes away from Trump.
They don’t even have to do that - they will just do ballot harvesting on steroids from now on.
They are so despised that the only way they can win is to import voters coupled with MEGA vote fraud. Does that shame them or give them any pause at all - not hardly.
Check out her parents! If the Constitution is followed she will not be found to be natural born.
Of course. 2016 gave them the heads-up on the fact that they need to cheat better. They will do that.
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