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To: PIF

If and when this brings peace, will you eat your words?


3 posted on 05/12/2019 2:21:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Easy - the Pali are already lined up against it. Peace will only happen in the ME when all Jews and Christians are dead or converted, or Mecca and Medina are nuked - you pick.


4 posted on 05/12/2019 2:43:37 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It won’t bring peace. It will make Evangelicals and Orthodox Jews love President Trump less, and that is a bad thing.


6 posted on 05/12/2019 3:04:08 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"If and when this brings peace, will you eat your words?"

You and I 2ndD are the only ones that saw this deal in the works, for me it hit me like a ton of lead in March of 17', I could see the chess moves.

I suspect the ISIS leader wacked in Western Syria was not by the Syrians, insert 3 letter agency and or allies that are trying to mop up the bad guys so the PA has no other options, when this is unveiled, like a boss baby like a boss is how PDJT roles.

BTW, China playing hardball, KJU firing missiles, Iran saber rattling, these are all unrelated right? Horse$h!+, they are related IMHO, Iran is collapsing from within and these buds are trying to shore them up. Perhaps this is why the delay, to rap some of these deals up, smooth them out, With Iran gone if you will, what then does the PA do? they are ugats without them, the have to come to the table, none of those countries I mentioned want Israel to win, it would be the ultimate clarion call for freedom in the hearts of the people in those countries to say no to the despots that have been screwing them for years running those countries I will not visit evah. They can't have them revolting, it would light a fire in the hearts like you read about....

7 posted on 05/12/2019 3:26:46 AM PDT by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Songs of Angry Men!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If and when this brings peace, will you eat your words?

Israel and the indigenous Arab population of the former Ottoman districts of Syria and the British Mandate of Palestine are at war.

The nature of the contesting parties is such that their aims are irreconcilable. Peace will not come until one side or the other achieves victory.

You cannot "negotiate" peace between unwilling parties. The parties are both willing to "negotiate" a peace that would disguise a victory that neither side has won, that is, both sides would like to achieve victory without all-out war, and both sides still believe this is possible.

It is not.

Peace will come to these lands when one side decisively defeats the other, either by genocide, forced expulsion, or some combination of the two.

Most Israelis believe, I think, that in the foolish words of Golda Meir, "Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us". Of course, the Arabs already love their children. They love them SO much that they dream of their early departure for paradise, out of this vale of tears, in the act of blowing up a bus full of Jews.

The Arabs, on the other hand, believe falsely that the Jews are a) cowards and b) non-indigenous, but also c) good at math. Only one of these beliefs is true. The Arabs figure that, being good at math, the Jews will figure out that the Arab birthrate and the Jewish birthrate will lead Jews to conclude that, on the whole, they would enjoy life more in Boca Raton.

It is this bilateral self-delusion that allows the status quo to persist.

Obviously, the "Palestinians" are not going to accept peace in their hearts under these conditions. And the Israelis are not going to prevail by offering the Arabs the fruits of their superior moral and technological civilization - because that superiority is why the Arabs hate them.

I do not know what the immigration+birthrate vs. emigration numbers look like for Israel. I know when I was living in Brooklyn in my 20s, aliyah was all the thing. It seemed like someone else was leaving every week. In my medical school class, there were more officers in the IDF than in the US Armed Forces, when we were still in Vietnam (not counting Berry Plan men).

Now? Just like the above, it's totally subjective, but it seems as if there are communities of Israelis in many cities, engaged in careers, owning homes, planning to return "someday".

Anyway, with regard to your original question - "If and when" the Kushner Plan brings peace to the Middle East, I will be happy - but also astonished.

16 posted on 05/12/2019 6:51:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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