Posted on 10/10/2019 12:21:47 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
It is not Trump’s jurisdiction to decide. Let Bozo put his redcoats there instead.
Then Boris should put 2,000 plus British Special Forces in Syria to do actual fighting.
Instead of a nominal force to only do surveillance,logistics and medical.
maybe the UK and her european “allies”can step up to the plate and handle Syria themselves.
We always hear from the EU how it is has a bigger population and economy than the USA. And how the EU is a moral superpower and all.
Well, the time has come for the EU to end the big talk and take big action.
You are such a neocon. Get over it.
Remember if you cross a Turk with a Kurd you get a Turd.
BFLN
LOL
You getting a feel for the sentiment here state side yet?
One could lay down a bit of logic here...if you were a ‘Kurd’ living in Syria...you were a plain ole fashioned ‘Syrian’. That was your nationality. That’s who you should identify as. If you want to play the tribal game, fine...but until Syria is broke up, it doesn’t matter.
The Kurds were playing along on this long-term strategy of breaking up Syria, and probably Iraq. That never was going to be the US position. Our only true position was that ISIS had to be defeated. That part of the job is done. Why stay now?
And if this is so important...I’m sure the French or Germans would gladly step in and occupy Syria, to hold back the Turks.
50 people stopped a war?
Put them on our border to halt the invasion then.
There are drugs children take for your condition.
With all the young, male Syrians living in Eurpoe, I’m sure an entire volunteer army can be formed of these patriotic Syrians who can go back and defend their homeland.
Maybe UK would have replaced those troops but no one was informed.
Or how about UN Peacekeeping forces.
We spend a lot on the UN.
Syria didn’t have the problem with Kurds before Arab Spring.
Kurds were Turkish and Iraqi problem. Turkey has historically oppressed them. In Iraq they were OK until tried to exploit weakening the government during Iran war. Kind of like a pattern of seditious behavior.
Did you hear about Kurdish oppression in Syria before Arab Spring?
It’s hard to fully grasp if you are overseas, but even within the U.S. Americans take for granted the following:
1) How many homeless VETERANS live aimless on the streets of our major cities.
2) “US military suicides surged this year to a record high among active duty troops, continuing a deadly trend that Pentagon officials say is frustrating and they are struggling to counter.” (The Guardian, Sep 2019)
3) The number of families grieving loved one lost in battle and/or who are severely debilitated or disabled.
The Commander in Chief MUST look out for his men and women in harm’s way first and foremost. One lost life, or even one lost limb or one lost eye, and one lost mind sacrificed at the altar of a foreign conflict with no end in sight...The commander must weigh the cost.
History will vindicate Trump’s decision.
Before 2013, most Syrian officials put the population of Kurds in Syria at 1.5 to 2 million....bumping to an overall population of 20 million in 2010. They were never more than 7-to-10 percent of the population.
If you looked at Kurd density, it was always the extreme NE of Syria where they held significant numbers, and two or three towns along the Syrian-Turkish border.
If you bring up Kurds to an average Syrian guy...they point out that they aren’t true-blue Syrian...that they came into Syria over the past hundred years because of events in Turkey and Iraq. If discrimination occurred, Syrians would suggest that Kurds deserved it, and should return to their homeland.
Because of events after WW I...the French to ‘control’ the region led to tribal units thinking that they’d finally get a homeland, so pressure was applied to all Kurds....remain within the tribal ‘game’ and just wait this out. You get to the mid-30s, and the Kurd tribes have decided to go anti-Christian within the civil war that occurs in that period. You could suggest that they burned a few bridges along the way.
All throughout the 80s and 90s...Kurdish tribes staged violent episodes and were inviting massive retaliation by the Syrian government.
All of this leads to 2011, with a top level Kurd ‘boss’ (Tammo) being murdered by masked men in his apartment. The Kurd belief is that Assad’s people shot him. Zero proof exists for this, and you could speculate that elements of the Kurd underworld felt that Tammo would be a great martyr. It is odd how Arab Spring (then going on in several countries) occurs right at this time period.
I would go and argue that Tammo’s killing and Arab Spring were scripted out. You get the Kurds all riled up, throw in support to ISIS thugs, and you got yourself a 5-star civil war. Assad’s people were just standing there in disbelief...all this money funneling in for ISIS...the Kurds on some martyr deal, and nothing making sense.
True enough on factual side. It was small scale before. My impression is Syrians owe them nothing.
I don’t think those 50 Soldiers were holding back a Turkish invasion. It sounds to me like the President may have heard intel that Turkey was ramping up to invade, and he pulled our handful of troops out of harm’s way in a situation that does not concern us.
The Kurds were nomadic Persians. They remained nomadic until the Sikes-Picot Agreement made new countries out of what had been the Ottoman Empire. The British and French laid out borders for new countries with complete disregard for tribal and ethnic arrangements that had existed for hundreds of years and had been honored by the Ottoman Turks.
The only possible Kurdish claim to territory that has even a weak legal basis is what the Ottoman Turks granted the Kurds in return for their help during the Armenian Genocide.
If Boris Johnson now thinks the Sikes-Picot Agreement was a mistake, he can send troops to realign borders any way he can force the countries in the area to accept. Other than that, Boris needs to STFU.
JMHo
You mean Boris Johnson”s grandfather was from Turkey...
I already knew that.
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