To: rdcbn; Gay State Conservative; SJackson; griswold3; A_Former_Democrat; outpostinmass2; ...
Exactly. In my readings, the women seemed to me to almost always more strident believers than the men were. IIRC, she was present at a lot of the meetings and discussions they had
I believe Morton Sobell clung to this lie to his death in an effort to still portray this conviction of her as unjust.
There was this article I came across Rosenberg Lies Never Cease and while the author exposes himself in one respect with this sentence "...Although Senator Joe McCarthy was a drunk charlatan, it turns out Moscow really did possess a vast network of spies in 1940s America..." he is spot on with other aspects of this issue.
Joe McCarthy was an American Hero who gave his life for his cause, which was to highlight the fact that the "Red Scare" was nothing of what that title implied, but that communists had infiltrated all levels of our government and even the military in some areas...but all that is for another thread.)
Here are some excerpts from the article for the "She wasn't guilty" crowd (Gay State Conservative, I don't get the impression you are one of those, I understood you to be expressing what you have heard, which is expected in this):
From the article:
Several VENONA messages reveal important facts about Ethel Rosenberg. Number 1657, sent from the KGBs New York residency to the Center (i.e, HQ) in Moscow on November 27, 1944, is worth citing in detail:
- To VIKTOR [i].
Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERALs [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well-developed politically. Knows about her husbands work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person.
ANTON [xi]
Notes: [a] Not available
Comments:
[i] VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P.M. Fitin [head of KGB foreign intelligence].
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] Ethel ROSENBERG, nee GREENGLASS.
[iv] ZEMLYaK: Member of the Communist Party.
[v] METR: Probably Joel BARR or Alfred SARANT.
[vi] NIL: Unidentified.
. . .
[xi] ANTON: Leonid Romanovich KVASNIKOV [KGBs New York rezident].
This KGB report establishes that Ethel Rosenberg was a trusted person as far as the Kremlin was concerned, a Communist Party member who was aware of her husbands secret work for Soviet intelligence, as well as the roles of other agents who were part of Julius spy network. Code-phrases such as being devoted and well-developed politically reveal that Ethel was a committed Stalinist in whom the Soviet secret police placed trust.
That Ethels role in Soviet espionage went beyond sympathy was revealed in Message 1340 from New York to Moscow, sent on September 21, 1944. It discusses the possible recruitment of a new American agent:
- To VIKTOR [i]:
Lately the development of new people [D% has been in progress]. LIBERAL [ii] recommended the wife of his wifes brother, Ruth GREENGLASS, with a safe flat in view. She is 21 years old, a TOWNSWOMAN [GOROZhANKA] [iii], a GYMNAST [FIZKULTORNITsA] (iv) since 1942. She lives on STANTON ISTANTAUN] Street. LIBERAL and his wife recommend her as an intelligent and clever girl.
Comments:
[i] VIKTOR: Lt. Gen. P. M. FITIN.
[ii] LIBERAL: Julius ROSENBERG.
[iii] GOROZhANKA: American citizen.
[iv] FIZKULITURNITsA: Probably a Member of the Young Communist League.
He we learn Ethel was a such a willing and witting member of the Soviet espionage apparat in mid-1940s America that she was setting up her own sister-in-law as a candidate for recruitment by the KGB. The observation that Ruth Greenglass had a safe flat indicates they had clandestine work in mind for her.
Moreover, its impossible to believe that Ethel was wholly unaware of what Julius was up to. As the head of his own Soviet agent network for years, Julius was recruiting and running spies for Moscow, several of them relatives and friends whom Ethel knew well. Julius had spy equipment such as cameras provided by the KGB to facilitate his espionage (see Message 1600, November 14, 1944, which discusses some of the clandestine tradecraft that Julius used). Ethel was a clever woman and its far-fetched to think she never noticed her husband photographing thousands of pages of classified U.S. materials in their not overly large apartment.
I would defy anyone reading these internal KGB communications to regard Ethel Rosenberg as an "innocent" and her conviction and execution as unjust.
40 posted on
01/17/2020 7:45:24 AM PST by
rlmorel
(Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
To: rlmorel
In particular, the quote from the KGB handler:
"...Your no. 5356 [a]. Information on LIBERALs [ii] wife [iii]. Surname that of her husband, first name ETHEL, 29 years old. Married five years. Finished secondary school. A FELLOWCOUNTRYMAN [ZEMLYaK] [iv] since 1938. Sufficiently well-developed politically. Knows about her husbands work and the role of METR [v] and NIL [vi]. In view of delicate health does not work. Is characterized positively and as a devoted person..."
Innocent my ass.
These people, and the Leftists that followed them including the entire media and Democrat party, lie. If their mouth is moving, they are lying, and it is to be assumed and expected. They never give up lying.
They think that if they say it enough, people will believe it, as Goebbels said. It is what they have been doing since Trump became President.
41 posted on
01/17/2020 7:53:24 AM PST by
rlmorel
(Finding middle ground with tyranny or evil makes you either a tyrant or evil. Often both.)
To: rlmorel
The dedication and ideological motivation of the western nuclear spies to commit treason for such minor compensation absolutely mystified, befuddled and actually terrified the head of the Soviet nuclear weapons program, Levant Beria.
He, as a hard core paranoid and sadistic criminal psychopath, did not understand people who could do such a thing and so he was very concerned that his own people could be similarly motivated.
In a way, his fears were justified, just in a way diametrically opposed to the Rosenbergs, Greenglass, Barr, Fuchs and the rest of the treasonous scumbags who did so much damage.
His name was Andrei Sakharov
43 posted on
01/17/2020 8:03:08 AM PST by
rdcbn
( Referentiai)
To: rlmorel
I’m sure Ethel was the goad to Julius’s activities. We all know from history and literature (Lady MacBeth, anyone?) that women can be the power behind the throne. Ethel always looks like she’s sucking lemons.
To: rlmorel
I don't get the impression you are one of those
You impression is correct. Ethel was a communist zealot and as guilty as her husband.
My point as that McCarthy was right, and that he falsely accused some out of necessity, thereby deflecting Soviet suspicion and protecting a national security treasure (the Venona project).
50 posted on
01/17/2020 8:46:56 AM PST by
Spirochete
(GOP: Gutless Old Party)
To: rlmorel
History seems to repeating itself again...actually with the leftist I don’t think it ever stopped...they just lay low for awhile but are always around...the organizational names have changed ..people die and are replaced.
The one hurdle they can’t seem to get over, although they keep trying, they can’t be completely honest about who and what they are...not in the U.S.
So, they have to chip away at our laws, our principles our traditions.
Enter the clintons and obamas.
54 posted on
01/17/2020 10:29:46 AM PST by
Leep
(Everyday is Trump Day!)
To: rlmorel
Joe McCarthy was an American Hero who gave his life for his cause, which was to highlight the fact that the "Red Scare" was nothing of what that title implied, but that communists had infiltrated all levels of our government...
Making a name for yourself as an anti-communist has always been a risky political move.
See Richard M. Nixon.
68 posted on
01/18/2020 9:15:56 AM PST by
daler
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