Posted on 04/05/2020 8:03:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
The Netherlands has tried to adopt an "intelligent lockdown", but the infection is spreading rapidly and it has one of the world's highest mortality rates from the pandemic.
The Dutch have also been accused of failing to show solidarity with countries in southern Europe hit hardest by coronavirus.
So what are the Dutch trying to achieve and how has stricken Italy reacted?
The Dutch are among the few openly embracing the contentious idea of group or herd immunity. It's an approach characterised by one Dutch global health expert as cold and calculated.
Having shunned the stricter measures of neighbouring states the government has pursued an "intelligent" or "targeted" lockdown. It wants to cushion the social, economic and psychological costs of social isolation and make the eventual return to normality more manageable.
My local florist, ironmonger, delicatessen, bakery and toy store are still serving customers. Posters on the door and sticky tape on the floor encourage people to give each other space. Staff at the tills wear surgical gloves.
Only those businesses that require touching, like hairdressers, beauticians and red light brothels, have been forced to cease trading.
Schools, nurseries and universities are closed until at least 28 April.
Bars, restaurants and cannabis cafes are shut, although they seem to be doing a roaring trade in takeaways.
"We think we're cool-headed," explained Dr Louise van Schaik of the Clingendael Institute of International Relations. "We don't want to overreact, to lock up everybody in their houses. And it's easier to keep the generations apart here, because grandpa and grandma don't live at home with their children."
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The disease is among us, so herd immunity is literally the only way to stop the disease. We will either achieve that through spread and antibody formation, or through a vaccine. But we have no idea - we still only test those who show signs of the disease, even though we know many people have the disease but show no symptoms at all.
We also have NO way to know how many have been exposed already. It could be this disease has been spreading for many months or a year, and a large part of the population has had it already and has immunity.
Politicians and planners have been flying completely blind, so usually default to the worst case scenario.
My concern is that there seems to be increasing geographic disparity in the per capita infection percentages and in the the infection rates.
The flareups you describe are likely to continue for quite a while, likely driving Dr. “Shutdown” Fauxcy to advocate for a nearly indefinite personal activity restrictions nationwide.
If you’re in the ‘necesesary’ grocery store with 200 of your nearest and dearest companions...you’re not locked down.
I AGREE! I think that’s why scarf Brix said yesterday “This is not the time to be going to the grocery store.” It’s annoying but she’s right. . .
Collectivism on fr... it stopped being shocking a couple years ago. The overton window moved on this forum.
“My local florist, ironmonger, delicatessen, bakery and toy store are still serving customers. Posters on the door and sticky tape on the floor encourage people to give each other space. Staff at the tills wear surgical gloves.
Only those businesses that require touching, like hairdressers, beauticians and red light brothels, have been forced to cease trading.
Schools, nurseries and universities are closed until at least 28 April.
Bars, restaurants and cannabis cafes are shut, although they seem to be doing a roaring trade in takeaways.”
Sounds pretty much like what we’re doing here.
I think that, in this case (in the Netherlands), it means: Grandpa and Grandma (and other "at-high-risk" persons) are quarantined, but everyone else is pretty much allowed to continue with their lives as usual (with the few exceptions like masseuses, prostitutes, etc. noted in the article) - instead of "showing solidarity" and making everyone suffer equally (as though everyone were equally "at risk").
Regards,
Reading the article, I don’t see that they’re doing things much differently than us.
“My local florist, ironmonger, delicatessen, bakery and toy store are still serving customers. Posters on the door and sticky tape on the floor encourage people to give each other space. Staff at the tills wear surgical gloves.
Only those businesses that require touching, like hairdressers, beauticians and red light brothels, have been forced to cease trading.
Schools, nurseries and universities are closed until at least 28 April.
Bars, restaurants and cannabis cafes are shut, although they seem to be doing a roaring trade in takeaways.”
They also have a third of the population of Italy. You cannot compare today’s death counts. Both countries are on different curves of the progression of the matter before us.
Except of wiki re pop and density:
The Netherlands is the 64th most populated country in the world, and as of March 21, 2016, it has a population of 17,000,000. As of November 1, 2019 the Netherlands has population of 17,424,978.
The Netherlands is the 16th most densely populated country in the world, and the 5th most densely populated country in Europe.
Bangladesh is the only country (if not counting the small city states) larger in total area than and with a higher population density than the Netherlands.
Below is today's update with April 4th totals for the US and other countries that started their round of golf on March 25. While the US' time series ends on Day 11 (which is April 4 - and is basis of the order, i.e., I sorted the data by Day 11 values), I am publishing other countries future totals/'golfer's scores' who are on hole 8 while we're at hole 4.
In line with the Dutch story, the Netherlands (which is about 7 days/'holes' ahead of the US) is tracking way higher than the US on an adjusted fatality basis. Sweden, which is following the Dutch approach, is higher than the US but not by as much, and their rate of growth is slowing.
The US' ranking in this group of countries hasn't changed in the past few days. I'd prefer to be lower in this bodies-on-the-cart analysis, but for now it is what it is. Pray for the sick and people hurting mentally, spiritually, and financially.
| Country | Date of Day 1=right before 1,000 population-adjusted deaths | Day 8 | Day 9 | Day 10 | Day 11 | Day 12 | Day 13 | Day 14 |
| Andorra | 3/21/20 | 12,750 | 25,500 | 34,000 | 51,000 | 59,500 | 63,750 | 68,000 |
| San Marino | 3/3/20 | 19,632 | 19,632 | 29,447 | 49,079 | 49,079 | 49,079 | 68,711 |
| West Bank and Gaza | 3/25/20 | 28,167 | 28,167 | 28,167 | 28,167 | - | - | - |
| Spain | 3/13/20 | 7,298 | 9,621 | 12,287 | 16,170 | 19,647 | 25,518 | 30,541 |
| United Kingdom | 3/15/20 | 9,396 | 11,196 | 14,095 | 15,528 | 19,326 | 25,357 | 34,021 |
| Belgium | 3/19/20 | 6,291 | 8,264 | 10,094 | 12,325 | 14,670 | 20,160 | 23,678 |
| France | 3/18/20 | 6,549 | 8,343 | 9,812 | 11,384 | 12,828 | 14,887 | 17,353 |
| Netherlands | 3/17/20 | 5,231 | 6,742 | 8,215 | 10,330 | 12,086 | 14,579 | 16,335 |
| Italy | 3/5/20 | 4,524 | 6,926 | 7,883 | 9,896 | 11,805 | 13,692 | 16,291 |
| Sweden | 3/23/20 | 4,656 | 5,741 | 7,622 | 9,823 | 11,417 | 11,896 | - |
| Ireland | 3/25/20 | 5,692 | 6,562 | 8,036 | 9,174 | - | - | - |
| United States | 3/25/20 | 4,757 | 5,926 | 7,087 | 8,407 | - | - | - |
| Luxembourg | 3/17/20 | 4,295 | 4,295 | 4,831 | 8,052 | 9,663 | 11,273 | 11,810 |
| Switzerland | 3/16/20 | 4,606 | 4,682 | 5,872 | 7,331 | 8,866 | 10,132 | 11,514 |
| Portugal | 3/23/20 | 4,490 | 5,131 | 5,997 | 6,702 | 7,889 | 8,530 | - |
| Denmark | 3/22/20 | 4,075 | 4,358 | 5,094 | 5,886 | 6,962 | 7,867 | - |
| Austria | 3/23/20 | 3,998 | 4,738 | 5,405 | 5,849 | 6,219 | 6,885 | - |
| Macedonia | 3/24/20 | 4,364 | 5,334 | 5,334 | 5,819 | 8,244 | - | - |
| Germany | 3/25/20 | 3,646 | 4,388 | 5,053 | 5,723 | - | - | - |
| Iran | 3/9/20 | 3,373 | 3,907 | 4,489 | 5,078 | 5,667 | 6,154 | 6,664 |
| Cyprus | 3/23/20 | 2,634 | 3,010 | 3,386 | 3,762 | 4,139 | 4,139 | - |
| Iceland | 3/23/20 | 1,809 | 1,809 | 1,809 | 3,619 | 3,619 | 3,619 | - |
It doesn't work like that. For herd immunity to work you need over 90% to be infected so that there is no likely disease propagation path through society to those most vulnerable - those who will likely die if they get it. To get there everyone else needs to get and recover from the disease. To do that you need to invoke a national policy of toilet seat licking.
I still haven't heard if hydroxychloroquine hoarding Gov. Sisolak has shut down the brothels in Nevada...
It means you are unmutual, Number 6...
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