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To: McGruff

I remember a decade ago when they asked Karl Rove how the Bush administration would be remebered, and his quote was something like “We’ll leave that up to the historians!” Funny how the biggest Bush forum in the 2000’s got woke to history. So here is something to ponder. If the libtards were right about Bush in retrospect, in 10 years will they be right about Trum?


40 posted on 06/06/2020 7:07:14 PM PDT by Bommer (I'm a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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To: Bommer

Who did you vote for in the 2000 presidential election?


179 posted on 06/06/2020 10:41:03 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: Bommer

“So here is something to ponder. If the libtards were right about Bush in retrospect, in 10 years will they be right about Trump?”

No. This whole thread is silly.

The libtards were NOT right about Bush - Bush was far, far better than Al Gore or John Kerry.

We don’t despise Bush for anything he did while POTUS. We despise Bush (rightfully) because he was a #neverTrumper.

Let’s not rewrite history and say Bush lied about WMDs to get us into Iraq - we all thought there were WMDs - in fact I’m quite sure there WERE WMDs.

Bush’s unforgivable sin is his disgusting failure to support President Trump, nothing more, nothing less.


181 posted on 06/06/2020 11:09:50 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: Bommer
If the libtards were right about Bush in retrospect, in 10 years will they be right about Trum?

I fear in ten years Trump will be seen as the guy who talked right, but didn't get the job done - because he failed to clean house aggressively when a chance still remained. He came into office thinking that - as in a corporation - the Federal Government had institutional memory that needed to be preserved, not realizing that Clinton/Bush/Obama had pretty much overseen the replacement of all competent and reputable Federal employees with ideologues and idiots. He has already wasted three years of his Presidency battling sabotage from these people, when a group of strategic firings on Day One might have saved him immeasurable grief.

Even more recent hires like the Espers and the Wrays keep turning on him - and I don't think it is ideological as much as that these types of men rose in the Federal hierarchy because they had something to hide that could be used to control them when the time came. Trump completely underestimated the ability of the Deep State to blackmail people inside the system - those it has carefully helped to rise in anticipation of they day they will need to be used.

Given that Trump's attempts to be conciliatory to the existing executive structure of the firm - as he seemed to see it - got him nothing, it is time to use what is left of his term - even if it is only until January, 2021 - to aggressively clean house and seek people outside of DC to help do it. Otherwise, his Administration may go down in history as the last, great missed opportunity to halt the slide into collectivism.

211 posted on 06/07/2020 6:28:04 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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