Posted on 04/28/2023 11:36:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
” The vax wasn’t meant for everyone.” Reconcile this statement
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I believe you missed my initial point, Trump is being blamed for what Biden, Fauci, states and companies did by forcing the vaccine. They are to blame. Yet some here continue to blame Trump.
No one should have been forced to take the vax. Additionally they never stated the side effects even though they were known early on. They lied about masks and told the public that the vax would stop one from getting covid. It was all a lie and a money grab.
Do you acknowledge that people chose to be vaccinated? Would you take away their freedom to choose what’s best for them? Or are you ok with substituting your own judgment for others.
COVID mRNA vaccination was a (very) large scale experiment that has yielded a lot of interesting data, has saved a lot of lives, and has damaged more people that would normally stop a Phase II clinical trial before it reached billions of people.
I work in this field, and the political and social dimensions of this experiment have basically ruined any chance to gain and apply useful knowledge generated by it.
It’s a shame.
OK
“ Actually, the trials showed that it was effective in preventing Covid caused by the original strain of the virus - which was all anyone knew at the time.”
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I’ve never seen or believed that. Everyone I know caught COVID vaxxed or not. Some have had it repeatedly. The vax saved some from death.
I agree with most, excepting your assertion that the mRNA injection(s) "has saved a lot of lives."
That remains an assertion which has yet to be proven, especially given the more-than-three years of official data showing a mortality rate of 0.084 percent worldwide. Nations without these mRNA injections have fared far better than the US in actual reported deaths. The US CDC-created protocol has a mortality rate more than four times sub-Saharan Africa, for example. So the claim that mRNA injections have saved lives is not as yet sustained.
You are indeed correct in noting "the political and social dimensions of this experiment have basically ruined any chance to gain and apply useful knowledge generated by it." I think that has been the point. Best wishes.
After being elected, Trump needs to appoint RFK Jr as head of the CDC.
Well, now you've seen it, but of course whether or not you believe it is up to you.
That remains an assertion which has yet to be proven, especially given the more-than-three years of official data showing a mortality rate of 0.084 percent worldwide
There are many, many sources documenting a much higher death rate among the unvaccinated, particularly early on when the Covid variants were more deadly. Here's one"
United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status, All ages
So even those who received the placebo only had a 0.7% infection rate, yet somehow that justified a global vaccination regime
The Our World in Data source for the graph at that URL reads as "Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Vaccine Breakthrough/Surveillance and Analytics Team."
This the data is supplied by the "supplier" of the analysis. Moreover the supplier of the data and the publisher of your citation are supported by the fine people at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the WHO, among others, should you care to look that far into things.
Source: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2022/10/Annual-Report-2021-1.pdf
You enthusiasm to prove, i.e. assert by reference to "authority," that the mRNA technology saves lives is interesting, as Jim Noble's full comment to me mentioned that this mRNA technology "has damaged more people that would normally stop a Phase II clinical trial before it reached billions of people."
Authoritarians gotta authoritarian.
I have cared for more than 700 hospitalized COVID patients since 2020.
Without a whole lot of folderol about S and N antibodies, or T cells, the only deaths I have seen since mid-2021 have been in unvaccinated people.
Of course, the plural of “anecdote” is not “data”, but the data is poor and, I suspect, deliberately misleading so I have to go with what I see.
It has been true that many (not all) sick unvaccinated patients will refuse antiviral treatment as well, which may have something to do with outcomes.
And I’ve already covered vaccine harms, so I don’t want to respond to “whatabouts”. It was reckless and foolish to mass vaccinate low risk people, certainly since the Provincetown cluster in July 2021 shut down the idea that serum antibodies (from mRNA vaccine) could prevent transmission.
I figure you’ve always been never Trump.
Be honest if you are or aren’t.
I'd say 6.9M global deaths are all the justification needed.
The CDC data is a compilation of numbers from states and healthcare organizations.
The CDC doesn't manufacture them.
A few examples:
Rates of COVID-19 Hospitalizations and Deaths by Vaccination Status in Arizonans 5 Years and Older
COVID-19 Deaths by Vaccination Status Dashboard
Do you think the CDC or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are purposely misrepresenting the numbers? That's your implication so if you believe it say so.
If so, the states reporting their numbers up to the CDC must also be lying because the CDC is transparent when they publish these statistics.
Do you think the states are participating in the conspiracy? If not, why aren't they complaining about their data being misrepresented?
If they are, why haven't any of the tens of thousands of public health professionals involved spilled the beans?
I appreciate the info……….still skeptical only because full truth is so very rare. I don’t believe polling, gov, big pharma or frankly anything because there are always caveats and the underlying motivation. Regardless, most COVID related topics were lies.
Sure there were Covid cases but the death toll at least here in the US was largely among the elderly and other with core morbidity issues. But once the money for Covid relief started flowing it was a ''pandemic''. I did see plenty of death from it, I was even exposed to it four times. Had to get the jab to keep my job. Now in the last month suddenly there aren't anymore Covid cases coming into my hospitals ER. Most fascinating. It's as if it never existed. As of Tuesday the 2nd of next week masks will no longer be required in all parts of the facility.
Your parade of questions is amusing. I will write simply, for you. "So."
But that is not my "implication." That is my assertion. It is backed by the early 16 April 2020 WHO publication "INTERNATIONAL GUIDELINES FOR CERTIFICATION AND CLASSIFICATION (CODING) OF COVID-19 AS CAUSE OF DEATH",
Source: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/10186/10693286/COD_WHO_Annex.pdf
Read it. It shows, complete with arrows on entry lines in death reports how to enhance the "visibility" (a recent parlance of the Biden administration in other areas) of Covid-19 as a diagnosis and cause of death. From the get go, the heightening of the "data" has been part and parcel of the "event."
And yet, after forty months of official data, the mortality rate remains a tiny 0.084 percent. The WHO first said it would be 3.4 percent. That was a guess. Imperial College's Ferguson was even more wildly wrong. Also just guessing. And now Johns Hopkins is no longer even posting to their "Coronavirus Resource Center." As to your inane questions about how agencies and individuals can participate in something ethically and factually wrong, one only need recall that entire nations have gone to war, as did the Axis powers which included European nations along with Japan and groups of collaborators within nations like the Vichy, Croatian Muslims, Ukrainian Nazis and more. So "why haven't any of the tens of thousands of public health professionals involved spilled the beans" proves itself inane. CARES dropped $30K per dying or dead ventilated, remdesivir-addled patient, and MANY "public health professionals" have been "spilling the beans" as articles posted to this Free Republic demonstrate. So....
While you think me not willing to state the obvious, I will assert that you haven't seen the obvious. Or refuse it. The WHO 16 April 2020 PDF is yours to look through, if you want to. You too can heighten the "visibility" of Covid, as you do posing questions to which you might already have an answer you dislike.
I assert the "event" was a con. You apparently cannot fathom this for reasons all your own, as you seem to defend the WHO and Fauci, CDC and other agencies, the mRNA manufacturers and more. Read "The Real Anthony Fauci." I have. Then get back to me with your defense of Moderna and Pfizer-BionTech products.
If this is all about misclassification of deaths what do you think caused the estimated 1.2 million excess deaths during the pandemic?
Or are you going to reject this evidence too?
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