Posted on 05/09/2023 12:18:04 PM PDT by Morgana
A jury has found that Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll.
The panel of six men and three women also found that Trump injured advice columnist Carroll in a Manhattan Bergdorf Goodman dressing room and defamed her, ordering the former President to pay her $5million in damages.
Trump has been accused of sexual misconduct or assault by more than two dozen women, but this has so far been the only case to end up before a jury.
Carroll, 79, sued for battery under the Adult Survivors Act, a law passed in New York that allowed a one year window for sexual assault claims normally outside of the statute of limitations.
Her claim for defamation was based on statements made by Trump, 76, when he was President and posts to Truth Social, his own social network in which he called her a liar.
Over two weeks the jury heard emotional testimony from three accusers and two of Carroll's friends, among other witnesses, while Trump himself was a no show.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
And personally, he doesn’t keep seven figures in cash lying around under his personal name. It’s in trust for minor family members or something.
“He lost the trial.”
Well, that is what this thread is about.
Someone posted about the famous lawyer saying Trump was destroyed because to the outcome of the trial.
I said he is completely wrong.
Still don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
No evidence of either rape OR sexual abuse except “she said”. This will be thrown out. How can there be evidence of abuse but not rape?
From CNN, which, unfortunately, was the only place that I could find that clarifies the difference:
“What is the difference between sexual abuse and rape, according to New York law
From CNN staff
The jury in the E. Jean Carroll civil case against Donald Trump had been instructed that a person is liable for sexual abuse when he subjects another person to sexual contact without her consent.
Under New York law, “sexual contact” means “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person for the purpose of gratifying the sexual desire of either party.”
The state’s law says that a person is liable for rape when a person forces sexual intercourse with another person without their consent. For the purposes of this law, “sexual intercourse” means “any penetration, however slight, of the penis into the vaginal opening.”
Both sexual abuse and rape are sexual offenses in New York.
While the jury did not find that Carroll had proven rape, they did find that she proved Trump committed sexual abuse, allowing her to receive damages for her civil battery claim. “
I think I read somewhere that she wasn’t sure if his penis or just his fingers penetrated her before she escaped the situation. So I guess that would be why a jury who believed her would say no to rape, but yes to sexual assault
This was a civil trial, there is no way even the idiot Bragg would try this case as a criminal trial.
So it would appear.
“Well, that is what this thread is about.”
Then why did you post that he was not destroyed?
That second remark strengthens my case that the first remark was a joke. Most people underestimate the media's and the general population's complete lack of a sense of humor. Saying the equivalent of "You're not the type I usually rape" should have been comic relief but ended up being used as additional fuel by the TDS crowd.
Cold cash isn't a factor. Access and control of money is what is subject to judgement.
Uh, you’re kidding?
This was an adversarial legal proceeding. If you and President Trump think that’s the time to be cracking jokes for comic relief. Well, okay, I guess.
Bravo.
Hi.
Tell Kayla Brantley that when Trump is “exonerated” on appeal, she better cover the story with the same amount of “zeal.”
5.56mm
Told us what? That there would be an appeal?
I don’t think it was the 51% level, it was the higher requirement of “clear and compelling evidence
“1.7 Burden of Proof—Clear and Convincing Evidence
When a party has the burden of proving any claim or defense by clear and convincing evidence, it means that the party must present evidence that leaves you with a firm belief or conviction that it is highly probable that the factual contentions of the claim or defense are true. This is a higher standard of proof than proof by a preponderance of the evidence, but it does not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”
https://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/jury-instructions/node/48
He was found liable of sexual battery, not rape, and defamation. Total awarded damages of 5 million.
That pretty well sums it up.
I think Trump should keep saying whatever he thinks is appropriate. It was a classic Trumpism, and that is why it is getting so much play.
Unforced errors that we will have to excuse?
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said
He’s pretty damned close to finding out what happens.
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I was just thinking of that as I was prepping dinner.
He certainly lost votes on the jury (that is, if he ever had them).
“Then why did you post that he was not destroyed?”
I posted in disagreement with the fancy lawyer that the jury decision destroyed Trump.
To make it doubly plain for you, Trump was assigned liability by the daft jury and Trump was NOT destroyed.
Can I say it in any more ways?
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