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Maui residents who disobeyed barricade survived fires: AP
ap ^ | August 23, 2023 | Lauren Sforza

Posted on 08/23/2023 11:26:01 AM PDT by george76

Those who disobeyed the barricaded road closures during the Maui fires survived the disaster, while many of those who heeded orders to turn around perished in their cars and homes with no way out...

At least 114 people were killed in the fires earlier this month, and the FBI is estimating that up to 1,100 more are unaccounted for. Officials are facing increased scrutiny for the emergency response, including why the emergency sirens were not set off and whether closing the roads prevented people from getting to safety.

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Officials closed Lahaina Bypass Road due to the fires, blocking the only way out of Lahaina to the southern part of the island.

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One family swerved around the barricade set up to escape the flames, while another resident took a dirt road uphill to climb above the fire... However, many others who stayed in the cars on that road were stuck in a gridlock, with fires surrounding them on most sides

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Nate Baird and Courtney Stapleton recounted their experience to the outlet, saying they loaded the car up with their two sons, Baird’s mother and one dog to escape the flames. When they turned south to escape Lahaina, they were met with cones and were told to turn around to Lahaina, which was already burning.

Instead of turning around, they swerved past the cones and escaped to a neighboring town.

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we literally had minutes and one wrong turn. We would all be dead right now.”

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they had 10 more minutes, they could have saved children who were left home alone in their neighborhood during the fires.

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Kim Cuevas-Reyes said that she survived with her two sons by ignoring orders

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
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To: BitWielder1
Why would they barricade escape routes? Unless they wanted people to be trapped.

See post 118.

121 posted on 08/24/2023 7:01:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Rural_Michigan
Reminds me of the scene in The Patriot when the British locked the colonists in the church and set it on fire.

Democrats tried to do that to Sarah Palin's church when some people were meeting there in the evening, IIRC.

122 posted on 08/24/2023 7:08:25 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: linMcHlp
There is an unfortunate, politically-correct (jobs-preservation outranks preservation) symmetry to the dockside USS Bonhomme Richard fire and the oceanside Lahaina fire.

See posts 118 and 119.

123 posted on 08/24/2023 7:20:08 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: BitWielder1

Leftists are elected or hired based on their level of leftism, not for any experience, skills or merit.

What did Reagan say? It’s not that they don’t know anything. It’s just that they know so much that’s untrue.

Water is too precious for putting out fires.

The road is dangerous so you can’t travel it, even though it’s the only escape from worse danger.

They know rules but lack critical thinking skills to inform them when the time is right to break said rules.

Blind enforcement. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, all encouraged and exploited it.

We have it here now. We saw plenty of it during covid.


124 posted on 08/24/2023 7:20:09 AM PDT by Pollard (The US government has US citizens as political prisoners!)
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To: BuckeyeGOP
an estimated 1100 still considered missing after 2 weeks when an entire town is burned to the ground on an island about the size of Rhode Island. Yet death toll has not changed in a week and a half.

Puzzles me, too.

I'd think the cadaver dogs could have sniffed them all out by now.

125 posted on 08/24/2023 8:02:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: linMcHlp
DAY AFTER FIRE FOOTAGE: 4K Drone Lahaina Maui Fire - Longest & Most Detailed Aerial View

Thank you for sharing. Heartbreaking. Astonishing the single structures that survived, when there was level burn all around many of them.

At 16:07, you can clearly see some of the orange barricades across the road, and how they had been pushed open.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. —Matthew 24:40-42

126 posted on 08/24/2023 8:02:50 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: Othniel77
We should follow this principle, never go where the gov’t wants you to go in an emergency or maybe at any time.

Like THIS??

"There's  nothing wrong with the air!"
 


One of these days; a few thousand Richard Dreyfuss types are going to remove their masks...


127 posted on 08/24/2023 8:04:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kahuna
Virtually all the fat cat State politicians were off the Islands vacationing when the Maui fires occurred.

I just wonder where they would go that's better than where they are?

128 posted on 08/24/2023 8:06:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pollard
Water is too precious for putting out fires. The road is dangerous so you can’t travel it, even though it’s the only escape from worse danger. They know rules but lack critical thinking skills to inform them when the time is right to break said rules.

Yes, back in the day they said don't give a dying cancer patient in agony too much pain meds; they might get hooked. (Until opiods became a gold mine business.) Or don't give the dying any experimental new treatments; they might die of them. Trump tried to right that wrong with his "Right to Try" initiative.

“Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless.” —Dietrich Bonhoeffer

“Two things are infinite: the univere and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” —Albert Einstein


129 posted on 08/24/2023 8:20:01 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

People who saw the first plane hit Tower 1 and evacuates in spite of them saying don’t evacuate could get out


130 posted on 08/24/2023 11:23:37 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Let’s go Brandon!)
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To: Albion Wilde
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire [FR]

EXCERPTS

Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.

“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.


131 posted on 08/24/2023 2:04:06 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: linMcHlp

Heartbreaking.


132 posted on 08/24/2023 4:21:54 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Either ‘the Deep State destroys America, or we destroy the Deep State.’ --Donald Trump)
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