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US has provided Ukraine long-range ATACMS missiles, sources say
CNN ^ | October 17, 2023 | Natasha Bertrand and Oren Liebermann

Posted on 10/17/2023 7:28:17 AM PDT by McGruff

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To: everyone
“The confirmation came on Tuesday after images of the missiles’ submunitions inside Ukraine began circulating on social media.”

Did they include the Geolocation info.

21 posted on 10/17/2023 7:55:33 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: JonPreston

JonPreston wrote: “Russia was invited there by the Russian nationals in the East.”

And, the Germans were invited into France by the Germans living there.


22 posted on 10/17/2023 7:55:34 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: Petrosius
You mean the ethnic Russian minority in Donbas?

Not a minority, given the number of voters who voted to leave the Ukraine.

23 posted on 10/17/2023 7:56:12 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: DugwayDuke

I’ll let the Germans & French argue that one out. I’m concerned about today and the $200bn US tax dollars flooding into Zelensky’s pockets.


25 posted on 10/17/2023 7:57:49 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Why not give them nukes? Mr. Z could demand Russia pull out all troops and pay billions of dollars to rebuild Ukraine or lose Moscow and St. Petersburg? Then, Demand that Poland give back lands they took from Ukraine, and Billions of dollars or lose Warsaw! Demand entry into NATO or Paris will be reduced to rubble. With a handful of nikes Ukraine could become a world power. Mr. Z. could demand that Ukraine be made a permanent protectorate of the USA with a budget of Billions each year built in. Take over Moldavia next! Why not? If they can beat Ruzzia why not others?


26 posted on 10/17/2023 8:00:31 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade ( Ride to the sound of the Guns!)
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To: McGruff

Well, they’ll be blown off in one day and they’ll be demanding more. Ain’t nothing like not having to worry about how you didn’t build, pay for or transport all your ammo.


27 posted on 10/17/2023 8:00:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gen.Blather

“”We became a major exporter some time ago.””

NO LONGER- we now import AND reduced our strategic reserve

The United States became a total petroleum net exporter in 2020

In 2020, the United States became a net exporter of petroleum for the first time since at least 1949.1 In 2022, total petroleum exports were about 9.52 million barrels per day (b/d) and total petroleum imports were about 8.33 million b/d, making the United States an annual net total petroleum exporter for the third year in a row. Total petroleum net exports were about 1.19 million b/d in 2022. Also in 2022, the United States produced2 about 20.08 million b/d of petroleum and consumed3 about 20.01 million b/d. Although U.S. annual total petroleum exports were greater than total petroleum imports in 2020, 2021, and 2022, the United States still imported some crude oil and petroleum products from other countries to help to supply domestic demand for petroleum and to supply international markets.

The United States remained a net crude oil importer in 2022, importing about 6.28 million b/d of crude oil and exporting about 3.58 million b/d. Some of the crude oil that the U.S. imports is refined by U.S. refineries into petroleum products—such as gasoline, heating oil, diesel fuel, and jet fuel—that the U.S. later exports. Also, some of imported petroleum may be stored and later exported.


28 posted on 10/17/2023 8:01:17 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: Obadiah

“They are absolutely determined to get WWIII going,”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes Russia and its GINSCA* organization are STILL invading Ukraine apparently, and they have opened another front in Israel to put less pressure on the Russian invading forces right now inside Ukraine. They are truly pushing for WWIII.

The best would be if Russia decided to stop invading and annexing sovereign nations. The world would be a better place.

* GINSCA (Globo-Islamo-NeoSoviet-Commie-Alliance)

That alliance is composed of : North Korea, Russia, IRAN, Belarus, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, China.


29 posted on 10/17/2023 8:02:58 AM PDT by USA-FRANCE
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To: JonPreston
every time the embers seem to be dying, Uncle Sam stirs them back up.

Complete nonsense: did the US invade Ukraine? Attack Israel?

All these wars are in fact the product of the weakness and stupidity of the current administration. The clown show in DC was happy to write off Ukraine when they offered Zelensky a ride out and were then like a deer in the headlights when the Ukrainians were able to resist.

30 posted on 10/17/2023 8:07:10 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Obadiah

If you’re so afraid of World War Three then why don’t you tell your Ruzzian friends to quit their stupid war and go home?


31 posted on 10/17/2023 8:14:56 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Petrosius

Rather it is the Russians who think that they could invade another country with zero consequences.

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...like the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan? Like that? Or the US sending troops into Syria? Like that?


32 posted on 10/17/2023 8:17:15 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: PGR88

Do they think there will be no response?
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One response being IF negotiations do take place, they can be sure the much talked about “ buffer zone “ will be at least 180 some miles wide….much Russian commentary about what a buffer zone will consist of….that brings a negotiated settlement bringing the Russian line up to the Dniepner River…old boomerang Joe at his best, shooting himself in the foot again, and again.


33 posted on 10/17/2023 8:17:56 AM PDT by delta7
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To: McGruff
More missiles that Israel needs and we need for ourselves.

It's way past time to end the failed proxy war in Ukraine.

34 posted on 10/17/2023 8:18:31 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: MeganC
Ronald Reagan spoke about it. Appeasement makes the war more likely.

Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender.

Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he's heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he'd rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us.

35 posted on 10/17/2023 8:26:20 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: Phoenix8

Which fellow member of OPEC+ do you think Russia will declare war on by mining their ports?


36 posted on 10/17/2023 8:29:44 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: JonPreston
Not a minority, given the number of voters who voted to leave the Ukraine.

You mean that vote held under Russian military occupation? Even so, the vote (2014) was for autonomy within a united Ukraine, not independence. I will not give any credence to the sham vote of 2022.

37 posted on 10/17/2023 8:31:10 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: DugwayDuke

Gotta think the more accurate comparison is German ‘nationals’ in Sudetenland asking to be annexed.

Only issue seems to be that ‘stop’ signs no longer seem to work...


38 posted on 10/17/2023 8:31:30 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: Gunslingr3

Who says they would have to DOW😹?

A few subs could sneak in at night plant some mines then sneak out.

It would be very difficult to prove who did it.


39 posted on 10/17/2023 8:32:20 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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To: JonPreston

LOL

So if some Russophile nitwit on FR begs Putin to invade, that’s all it takes to make it OK?

Not even their bestest Chicom buddies agreed to Russia’s annexation efforts. They had to scrape the bottom of international luminaries barrel for jokes like Kim and Daniel Ortega, and of course the FR Russophile contingent, to endorse this invasion.

Seriously, you have Daniel Ortega and Kim as bedfellows, and you think you’re on the right track?

It’s hysterical. What other wisdom do you share with them?


40 posted on 10/17/2023 8:35:45 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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