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San Francisco Railroad Extension Costs A Whopping $4 Billion Per Mile
Daily Caller News Foundation ^ | October 27, 2023 | ARJUN SINGH

Posted on 10/28/2023 5:52:20 AM PDT by george76

The city of San Francisco is in the process of constructing a downtown-area railroad extension that is estimated to cost in excess of $4 billion per mile of tunnel, The San Francisco Standard reported.

The extension, known as The Portal, is a tunneled rail service that would connect the Salesforce Transit Center in the city’s downtown corridor to Caltrain and future high-speed trains, according to the Standard. The project’s overall cost estimate was recently revised up from $6.5 billion to a total of $8.25 billion, which makes for a per-mile cost of over $4 billion,

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“[Y]ou’re seeing some whopping projected cost increases, not just for The Portal, but for other projects in the Bay Area,” John Goodwin, a spokesperson for the city’s Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC), which will operate the service, told the Standard.

Lily Madjus Wu, a spokesperson for the public utility company Transbay Joint Powers Authority, that will construct The Portal told the Standard that the U.S. government has been petitioned to fund half the project’s cost.

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Only San Francisco could manage *$6.8 billion per mile* rail extension between two stations.

This city is run by children.

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In New York City, new tunneling for Metropolitan Transportation Authority subway lines has cost between $1.5 and $3.5 billion per mile, The New York Times reported, which is, itself, seven times the average cost of subway construction in metropolitan areas around the world.

The MTC, meanwhile, has been selling merchandise about The Portal and engaging in public relations campaigns to promote its construction, according to the Standard.

The High-Speed Rail (HSR) project connecting San Francisco to Los Angeles, which would be at one end of The Portal, has itself been widely criticized for construction delays and heavy cost overruns. Despite an initial budget of $33 billion in 2008, when it was first approved by ballot proposition, the cost is currently projected to reach $128 billion in total, with the first phase of the project, connecting Merced with Bakersfield, not expected to be ready until 2030.

The city of San Francisco, has well, as been widely criticized for high levels of homelessness and crime, public sanitation issues and open-air drug use. Many businesses have reportedly exited the city as a result.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bart; boondoggle; california; highspeedrail; highspeedtrains; railroad; sanfrancisco
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To: Brian Griffin
Shuttlebus service would have been cheaper and more versatile.

For that price they could buy ever city resident their own EV/SUV, and have money to spare.

21 posted on 10/28/2023 6:28:29 AM PDT by usurper (AI was born with a birth defect.)
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To: Brian Griffin

And buying and operating a fleet of 737s would cost less than high speed rail.


22 posted on 10/28/2023 6:35:34 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: The Free Engineer

Downtown is deadsville. No need for it.


23 posted on 10/28/2023 6:37:56 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (11)
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To: george76

That’s 40-million uber rides at $200 a pop


24 posted on 10/28/2023 6:51:31 AM PDT by wny
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To: catnipman

Don’t forget the soccer field that the mayor wants to turn some abandoned office buildings into.


25 posted on 10/28/2023 6:57:54 AM PDT by Bernard ("No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai))
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To: george76

Me and my boys would have brought it home at a cool 3.5bln/ mile, saved the tax sheep some cool bingo but sadly no one asked. 🤣🤣🤣


26 posted on 10/28/2023 6:59:46 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: The Great RJ

At least in the 19th century, you didn’t have to constantly step over bums and their excrement.


27 posted on 10/28/2023 7:02:48 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Faux News: "We distort, you deride")
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To: george76

Tax the addicts.


28 posted on 10/28/2023 7:19:09 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Successful People Have a Sense of Gratitude. Unsuccessful People Have a Sense of Entitlement)
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To: george76

10% for the Big Guys.


29 posted on 10/28/2023 7:30:42 AM PDT by bray (You can tell who the Commies fear.)
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To: Brian Griffin

Bring back the trolls cars!


30 posted on 10/28/2023 7:32:25 AM PDT by Ronald77
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To: george76

The way San Francisco is emptying out - at least of its workers and productive citizens - there won’t be anyone left to ride the $4 billion dollar per mile train.

Homeless will be allowed to ride it (for free, of course) as a form as shelter - which is how it works in Los Angeles.

Thing is, I don’t expect it to be finished in my life time so who knows? Re: California’s Highs Speed Rail - 15 years and not a mile of rail has been put down...


31 posted on 10/28/2023 7:43:16 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolution?)
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To: george76

Tangentially, here’s a good opportunity to once again denounce my idiot fellow voters in CA who voted for the LA to SF high speed rail in 2008. $33B cost projected and completion of the system early in the 2030’s. Now cost estimates are $100B higher, and even those are a joke once purchase of urban right of way begins. Not one choo choo has run, though they’re hoping to have 171 miles in the middle of nowhere done by the end of this decade.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-03-11/new-cost-estimate-for-high-speed-rail-puts-california-bullet-train-100-billion-in-the-red


32 posted on 10/28/2023 8:10:39 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (22 years on Free Republic, 12/10/22! more then 6500 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: george76

So, if my math is right, the budget for a couple of miles of tunnel/track in SF is roughly 1/4 of the original estimate for the entire LA-SF high-speed rail boondoggle.


33 posted on 10/28/2023 8:12:20 AM PDT by hanamizu ( )
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To: george76

But there is no grift or fraud going on anywhere folks. Move along. Nothing to see here.


34 posted on 10/28/2023 8:30:36 AM PDT by vpintheak (There is no Trans. There is only mentally ill)
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To: george76; BobL; sphinx; GreenLanternCorps; Alberta's Child

So these ding dongs are paying over 4 billion per mile, when it really should only cost about 200 to 500 million per mile???

If the US government pays for half, as SF is requesting, nobody in the United States should pay any attention to any federal law or regulation ever again. #IrishDemocracy


35 posted on 10/28/2023 8:36:47 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: george76

Another trough to feed from


36 posted on 10/28/2023 8:38:37 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Leaning Right
Heck, I even built in 10% for assorted bribes and “donations”.

Ah, the Thornton Melon school of business. #GettingThingsDone

37 posted on 10/28/2023 8:39:38 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: Fresh Wind
At least in the 19th century, you didn’t have to constantly step over bums and their excrement.

But avoiding the horse dookey was the name of the game.

38 posted on 10/28/2023 8:40:46 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Where did your “$200 to $500 million”‘figure something from? I always get suspicious when I see statements about how much something “should” cost.


39 posted on 10/28/2023 8:46:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Sorry — where did that cost range COME from?


40 posted on 10/28/2023 8:49:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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