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Lawful Self-Defense Includes Time to Responsibly Disarm
AmmoLand ^ | November 20, 2023 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 11/23/2023 2:57:16 AM PST by marktwain

The rule of law and due process apply to everyone, even people with long criminal histories.  Even people who have bad reputations in dangerous, gang-infested, drug-dealing dystopias. In 2016, Saeve Evans was involved in a gunfight. A 16-year-old girl was killed. Saeve Evans’s legal defense was self-defense.

Saeve Evans has had many interactions with DC police. There was the D.C. kidnapping and murder case. Saeve has prior felony convictions.

Below is a DC Police Department post on X, formerly Twitter, of the recent incident in which Saeve Evans was involved. Saeve must have been released pending the appeal of the 2016 case because the video incident happened on August 1, 2023.

Saeve Evans is still a citizen of the United States. He is protected by the Constitution.

On November 25, 2016, Saeve Evans was in a gunfight during which a 16-year-old girl was killed. During the gunfight, he was briefly caught on surveillance video with a gun in his hand. The defense argued that Saeve Evans had fired the gun in self-defense. Evans is a convicted felon who had been shot multiple times before this incident. Saeve Evans surrendered to the police on November 29. Evans demanded a jury trial. The jury found Evans not guilty of everything but the illegal possession of a gun.

DC law allows even violent felons to use guns for self-defense as an exception to their more general ban on possessing guns.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; dc; defense
Even violent felons have a right to defend themselves against people who are attempting to murder them.
1 posted on 11/23/2023 2:57:16 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

While I agree that the fellow should have more than 3 seconds to disarm himself after the shooting stops, simple logic dictates that he he had the firearm on his person prior to the start of the gunfight.

Unless there is another plausible way he could have acquired the firearm after shots were fired I would have convicted him of unlawful possession.


2 posted on 11/23/2023 3:49:45 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: marktwain

Half of me says NO; someone is doing society a favor.
The other half says “use your fists”.
My bad.


3 posted on 11/23/2023 3:51:48 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: marktwain

Tell that to ashley babitt


4 posted on 11/23/2023 3:52:20 AM PST by cdpap
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To: marktwain

Who shot the girl?
Felons can possess a cap and ball black powder weapon, I believe.
No ideal, of course, but, with some practice...better than an angry word and a sharp stick.
That said, it seems that this person is a frquent flyer in the DC violent criminal scheme and has not been inside.
Good thing he didn’t retweet a meme mocking hillary or parade in a restricted building.


5 posted on 11/23/2023 4:01:51 AM PST by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Pontiac

“Unless there is another plausible way he could have acquired the firearm after shots were fired I would have convicted him of unlawful possession.”

From the article: The jury found Evans not guilty of everything but the illegal possession of a gun.


6 posted on 11/23/2023 4:10:04 AM PST by Neverlift
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To: marktwain
I'd want the time to rearm. If the safety feature of the gun (or crossbow) can be engaged while reloading then it's just what I'd owe to myself. Discrimination against the design and full use of otherwise legal firearms should be illegal.
7 posted on 11/23/2023 4:15:46 AM PST by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: marktwain

Sounds like a Dutch name, but never don’t worry, he’s Amish.


8 posted on 11/23/2023 5:31:18 AM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: Pontiac

That is an unlawful and unConstitutional DC law.


9 posted on 11/23/2023 6:16:14 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: sauropod; Pontiac

I’m referring to the DC gun ban.


10 posted on 11/23/2023 6:20:45 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: marktwain

I was in the jury pool for a trial that would involve a gang member claiming he had killed another gang member in self-defense. I was removed from the pool (by the defense) after being asked if I was a member of the NRA and replying, “No, the NRA is for wimps. I’m in the GOA!”

But...I would have liked to hear the case. From what little we were told, it sounded like the defendant may have had a legitimate argument. Even if you are a thug, if another thug opens fire on you on a public street, shooting back seems like “self-defense” to me.

No idea how the trial played out.


11 posted on 11/23/2023 6:37:12 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: marktwain

This doesn’t mention the more germane and time critical point of “When to disarm when the police are coming?”

1st, the situation must be calm, that is, there is no more need for gun use for defense.

2nd, how to ‘obviously’ disarm, such as removing the magazine and moving the upper receiver slide back. Much harder with a revolver.

3rd, how far away the gun should be placed from your feet.

4th, fingers interlocked atop your head, feet apart.

I’m sure I’m missing some.


12 posted on 11/23/2023 6:45:44 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: marktwain
Even violent felons have a right to defend themselves against people who are attempting to murder them.

He'd have that right if he was "talking with his friends" but if he was "talking with his friends while dealing drugs", he was using a firearm in the commission of a felony.

13 posted on 11/23/2023 6:46:05 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: BobL
”To tell a family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.”
14 posted on 11/23/2023 9:29:40 AM PST by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Mr Rogers

Next time keep your mouth shut.

L


15 posted on 11/23/2023 10:04:33 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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